Originally Posted by rayspizza

and the propensity to be aggressive and adversarial would be masculine?

Aggressive sure...adversarial no. Now if we're talking about passive aggression that's a completely different matter

 

Originally Posted by Shaaarrrp

Well I didn't choose it....I was commenting on an earlier post using the word. However, I would say the propensity to coddle children is largely a feminine one.

... and causes the loss of ability to fight back and compete in the context of standing up for yourself. From the perspective of the bullied person, it is really about the ability to stand up for yourself and fight back in some manner and to seize control back from the bully. People must learn to handle adversity in their lives, whether it be from bullies, bad luck, unfortunate circumstance or whatever causes a perceived disadvantage. The girl in the story, if what I read was true, was not really being bullied, even so, she lacked the necessary tools and resources to fight back, including emotional strength, knowledge and the support of family and friends . Apparently her parents thought the answer was to run away (move to a new city), rather than confront the guy and make it stop. Not surprising, given the response from the girl. From the perspective of the bully, their objective is control. If the bullied person doesn't give in and doesn't let it happen, it stops.

And... is someone in this thread really trying to claim there are not differences between men and women and masculine or feminine or are they trying to express that one is somehow better than the other without regard to context? In the context of bullying it is definitely better to handle it aggressively(in a masculine fashion if you prefer that term), if the goal is to make it stop, rather than being passive (or feminine if you prefer that term) invites the attacks to continue. The use of "pussification" itt is simply a buzzword that probably isn't quite specific enough to cover the situation and people have applied different meanings to it. In my mind it simply means that people are being victims, rather than standing up for themselves. We could say they are being wimpish and or not aggressive enough or that they are simply lying down and taking it or running away. The use of the word is clearly vague enough to create an argument about what it means, like maybe "feminine", as if it were a bad thing in general to be feminine, when nobody would argue that.

 

Originally Posted by Willywoo

... and causes the loss of ability to fight back and compete in the context of standing up for yourself. From the perspective of the bullied person, it is really about the ability to stand up for yourself and fight back in some manner and to seize control back from the bully. People must learn to handle adversity in their lives, whether it be from bullies, bad luck, unfortunate circumstance or whatever causes a perceived disadvantage. The girl in the story, if what I read was true, was not really being bullied, even so, she lacked the necessary tools and resources to fight back, including emotional strength, knowledge and the support of family and friends . Apparently her parents thought the answer was to run away (move to a new city), rather than confront the guy and make it stop. Not surprising, given the response from the girl. From the perspective of the bully, their objective is control. If the bullied person doesn't give in and doesn't let it happen, it stops.

And... is someone in this thread really trying to claim there are not differences between men and women and masculine or feminine or are they trying to express that one is somehow better than the other without regard to context? In the context of bullying it is definitely better to handle it aggressively(in a masculine fashion if you prefer that term), if the goal is to make it stop, rather than being passive (or feminine if you prefer that term) invites the attacks to continue. The use of "pussification" itt is simply a buzzword that probably isn't quite specific enough to cover the situation and people have applied different meanings to it. In my mind it simply means that people are being victims, rather than standing up for themselves. We could say they are being wimpish and or not aggressive enough or that they are simply lying down and taking it or running away. The use of the word is clearly vague enough to create an argument about what it means, like maybe "feminine", as if it were a bad thing in general to be feminine, when nobody would argue that.

Language matters willy, didn't they teach you that in law school?

I believe bullying is the primary reason for gang membership within many schools.

An occurrence of bullying isn't anything to be concerned about and is a good lesson, but continuous harassment like that which would push a kid to suicide (or spree shooting) should be handled by adults. Bullies learn their behaviors (abusive parents/siblings) and need to be retrained. If they're just sociopaths then that can also be identified. People bitch about nobody ever doing anything about the mental health problems that don't intervene when warning signs go unheeded. Both sides of a bullying situation can be warning signs and an opportunity to intervene.

Thanks!!

Hard to believe a story that starts with a 12 y old showing her tits to an anonomous stranger on the internet because he said she was pretty didn't have a happy ending.

Why would she be on facebook or have a public profile if all she got was hate? Very weird story

@sax: i dont think it's just that the bullying has increased due to social media, but that bc of socisl med we have a record of it. In the past we said"guy was a loner, didnt have many friends" now they can look and see all the evidence.

i'll give you another angle on bullying - kids are notorious for acting like sheep in situations where someone is being picked on or made fun of. It's very rare that someone will break from the group and say - you know what, this is wrong - what you're doing and saying is wrong - and then come to the aid of the person being bullied. Peer pressure is tough and it's even tougher when you're a kid trying to fit in with the crowd. If you want to talk about pussification, all those followers are the real pussies. It takes someone with strong values and a lot of courage to stand up for their friend and say fuck you.

 

Originally Posted by saxman

that may be true as well - in some circles, facebook is like a scorecard of how many friends you have and who you are friends with

that is what I find sad about teenagers. I brag to people that I only have 75 friends on FB. I recommend that everyone does a purge every year.

 

Originally Posted by TMLMS13

that is what I find sad about teenagers. I brag to people that I only have 75 friends on FB. I recommend that everyone does a purge every year.

i'm the same - i use it mainly for staying in touch with my old high school friends. I can't imagine having everyone i talk to IRL on a daily basis as a FB friend. Just seems weird to me.

lol great thread. so on average it seems like

the lefties want to pretend kids won't be kids as they grow into adulthood. it's a failure of the bullies' parents for not conditioning their kids to be properly socially adjusted to live in their own perception of what the world should be.

righties are in here stressing the importance of kids valuing their self-worth enough to stand up for themselves, and to effectively deal with the adversity they'll inevitably encounter during adolescence.

fair enough

 

Originally Posted by Hank H1LL

lol great thread. so on average it seems like

the lefties want to pretend kids won't be kids as they grow into adulthood. it's a failure of the bullies' parents for not conditioning their kids to be properly socially adjusted to live in their own perception of what the world should be.

righties are in here stressing the importance of kids valuing their self-worth enough to stand up for themselves, and to effectively deal with the adversity they'll inevitably encounter during adolescence.

fair enough

Close. Except the righties think pussy is a bad thing and the lefties have nitpick on their team

 

Originally Posted by Hank H1LL

lol great thread. so on average it seems like

the lefties want to pretend kids won't be kids as they grow into adulthood. it's a failure of the bullies' parents for not conditioning their kids to be properly socially adjusted to live in their own perception of what the world should be.

righties are in here stressing the importance of kids valuing their self-worth enough to stand up for themselves, and to effectively deal with the adversity they'll inevitably encounter during adolescence.

fair enough

I blame everyone ,
he bullies' parents (your kid is a douche do something about it),
the bullied parents (your kid is suffering, do something about it),
the schools (pay more attention morons),
society (Fuck you facebook, twitter, webcams),
the bullies (stop being douchebags),
the bullied kids (try not showing you tits to strangers on the internet)
stalkers (I hope someone hackes your computer)
pedos (DIAGF after you GIFAFI)

 

Originally Posted by rayspizza

Also the righties like to make believe violence and aggression is the best way to put an end to violence and aggression... And in no way would that ever create a cycle of oppression and hatred.

Man, if only someone had taught Casey that the way to deal with a bully is to hold out an olive branch and try to understand his side. I mean, if a man who's been mugged eight times can do it, so can he!

I understand that violence and agression are necessary tools. I have and still do use them, just sparingly and when I do it's not something I'm proud or ashamed of; I just find it regretable. I think there is just a fundemenatal difference between what someone like MS sees as empowerment and what i do. So When people are like "herp derp, kids parents, everyone but me and thoose that think like me are pussies" I enjoy tooling on them. Just as there are several here who are chomping at the bit to make fun of me.