So, I wanted to make a thread to get some other perspectives on what's currently going on with the Terry/Capello situation.

I mean, to me the whole thing is fucktarded. And another reason I posted an OP was because I think there are some broader implications here for principals of justice.

Like, the basic judicial principle here in America of innocent until proven guilty. Terry may or may not have send racist things to Anton Ferdinand. To strip him of his captaincy before he has a trial smacks of being ridiculous. And Capello looks like he was forced to resign because he had the temerity to speak out and say the FA were being ridiculous. WTF?

I understand, racism sucks. But, at what point does "stamping it out" become a witchhunt? There was an incident recently were a player called another one a South American Rat. And that guy, Luis Suarez, came back at dude by calling him a negrito. For that, Suarez was banned for months. There was no true proof, just one guy's word over another.

Just, idk, it all seems so retarded. Kind of like Ron Paul getting blasted for those newsletters. Why, on emotive issues like race, do people insist on getting all irrationally bent out of shape, ending in group action that resembles lynch mobbing?

As a pagan I'm not quite comfortable with your use of "witch hunt".

I'll see you in court.

'court of public opinion' is usually a bad way to run an association

but it seems that a lot of football operations / associations are run by a bunch of fkin idiot crooks

As someone watching closely from over the water, the UK has gone absolutely bat shit mental with keeping everything P.C and trying not to offend anyone. The Labour party's lasting legacy IMO

 

Originally Posted by Milo

Innocent until proven otherwise does not apply. This is a soccer team, and not a court room. And Terry is a douchebag of the highest order. FUCK HIM.

Well, I mean, of course it doesn't apply. Look what happened. My comment is that this should apply.

Let's say I am an executive of a large firm. And a colleague decides that he wants to get back at me for some slight he perceived I gave him (maybe I didn't approve project funding that he wanted, or didn't hire a specific person he wanted on his team, yadda yadda). And decides to do so with some baseless allegation that I called him a spic, or sexually harassed his wife at a dinner party, or whatever the fuck.

I should be fired, right?

 

Originally Posted by freeworld777

the UK has gone absolutely bat shit mental with keeping everything P.C

Ok good, I'm not the only one that thinks this is batshit mental. I do think the US is falling guilty of this too, tho not to the same extent.

I mean, people are arrested there left and right for being racist on twitter. Which seems insane to me.

 

Originally Posted by jesterwords

'court of public opinion' is usually a bad way to run anything

but it seems that a lot of policiants/powermongers/etc are a bunch of fkin idiot crooks

fyp

First of all, is it illegal in your country to call people racist things? I saw a story about the police investigating someone using the N-word and that is crazy to me.

Second the whole Terry, Suarez thing is super lol to me. Didn't Terry's occurrence happen first, I know it was at least close. For them to suspend Suarez right away but wait until after the season is redic. As for the Suarez situation specifically, yea I didn't know Evra said that but seems like the same thing so he probably deserves the same punishment. Just seems like to me they are more concerned with the individual word.

Now if this were to happen in America it wouldn't be innocent until proven guilty, ESPN would jump all over it, he would be crucified, and the league or team would suspend him within the week not 6 months later. I am ok with them coming down on racism like this as it seems like one of the best way to get rid of it.

 

Originally Posted by zander

First off, Suarez admitted repeatedly to calling Evra "negrito." That's not exactly a lack of evidence...

Second off, Capello's rage has absolutely fucking nothing to do with racism and everything to do with the fact that the FA is making decisions regarding the English national team without consulting him, the manager. He's already in a lame duck situation where he knows he's leaving after Euros, and if he isn't going to be empowered to make his own decisions, or at least be consulted, then fuck the FA. Plus let's be honest, he gets to escape the team before the inevitable "Could this be England's time" hype builds up only to soulcrush yet again as they fail to perform to their media's absurd overexpectations. And, since everything the FA does has to benefit Man U in some way, this will probably lead to Harry Redknapp jumping from Spurs in midseason and removing hope of a 3rd team in the title race.

Or could it be time for the Special One?

Ah, yes, you are right about Suarez admitting to it. My bad. That changes things a little more me. But I still think Evra should have been punished is Suarez was to be punished.

And agreed on Capello's reasoning. The C thing matters less than the concept of usurping his authority in the dressing room. I always here that the manager is the most important part of a club (or international setup). Pretty obvious that this isnt the case here.

I think Harry is going to be the pick. Tho could definitely see Mourinho being selected. They would have to pay him prolly twice what they pay Redknapp, if the figures I've seen are to be believed.

I would think he wouldn't do it tho, since he has got to win La Liga to cement his Spanish legacy. Or maybe he doesnt care about that and wants the England job. Who knows, but it should be interesting.

It's kind of a witch hunt, but that being said, John Terry is a see you next tuesday of the highest order and I have no sympathy for anything that happens to him. I don't think I could think any less of a human being than I do of him.

As for Suarez -- I have some sympathy for his situation. While living in Costa Rica I found out that its pretty common for people to refer to people that way, and its not meant as a racial thing, its more of a description. For example, we had a friend that had an overweight friend -- and they would say like... "hey gordo!" (or something similar) which is like saying "Hey Fat!" They would call black people Black, etc. Either way -- if he wasn't guilty, he wouldn't have accepted the 8-game ban.

I do understand Capello's stance though, not wanting to be undermined by the FA. He wants his man to be convicted before anything is done. Either way, it kind of seems like he was looking for a way out of the job. The English media never gave him a chance. Seems kind of typical that a World Class manager like Capello is strong armed out. People do realize that Capello has won Serie A 7 times? La Liga twice, the Champions League, Copa Italia, etc., and Redknapp the savior has as many trophies as bankrupt clubs on his resume.

Suarez is prob the biggest scumbag in sport. what an absolute cunt

Its not even because of what Suarez did. His and the whole clubs reaction since has been disgraceful

Okay, saw the highlights of the MU/LFC game this a.m., and I am going to reverse my opinion onthe cunty Uruguayan. What a fucking douche-bag move. Fergie is more than little disingenuous with his comments, but how a classy player like Dalglish can do anything but condemn the pre-game actions of that petulant little twat is beyond me. Lots of respect for King Kenny has gone away, imo.

Side note: I swear, if they put the STATUE of Thierry Henry in the 18 yd box, it would rescue the Gooners. What a goal.

The Henry goal was like it was scripted. Probably his last few minutes in the Premiership and he scores the winner. So so awesome.

I thought Ferguson was great in his post match interview to be honest. If Dalglish had come out and said that Suarez was wrong when it all happened, this whole situation would be better. As it is, he has basically supported racism and made everything worse. Liverpool have handled this situation terribly. From the stupid t shirts backing Suarez to booing Evra.

Evra should of been then one who decided not to shake the hand if anybody didnt want to. Suarez and Liverpool are acting like the victims in this whole thing.

I'm a Liverpool fan and supported Suarez up until today when I thought he was a bit of a scumbag not shaking hands. But then again if what he claims happened is actually true, then he believes he was the only one who was racially abused that day and it was him who got a potential career damaging 8 match ban, while Evra got to look the victim.

Not saying thats what happened, just that if its true then there's a good argument for not shaking his hand.

But if history is anything to go by, it was just another example of him being a scumbag.

And if things weren't ridiculous enough, I just read this.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...lan-image.html

 

Originally Posted by freeworld777

But then again if what he claims happened is actually true, then he believes he was the only one who was racially abused that day and it was him who got a potential career damaging 8 match ban, while Evra got to look the victim.

+1000

You just dont know what exactly was said and with what intent and never mind the different degrees of meaning of words in English culture and Spanish speaking countries.