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  1. coachstove coachstove is offline

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    Feb 25th, 2011 (2/25/2011 6:19am)

    He said that the average teacher salary in Wisconsin is $89,000. That cannot even remotely be true can it? I teach at one of the higher paying districts in southeast Mo. and our salary schedule doesn't even go up that high.
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    Feb 25th, 2011 (2/25/2011 6:34am) in reply to coachstove

    It's about time all you commies got what's coming to you for trying to indoctrinate kids into your socialist agenda.
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    Feb 25th, 2011 (2/25/2011 6:37am) in reply to Underdog

    lol, 0% chance that's true
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    Feb 25th, 2011 (2/25/2011 6:39am) in reply to Underdog

    what are we getting?
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    Feb 25th, 2011 (2/25/2011 6:42am) in reply to coachstove

    The first three results on Google say that average salary is 46-48k in WI. So...yeah, basically half of what Paul claimed. lmao.
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    Feb 25th, 2011 (2/25/2011 6:42am) in reply to Lord Supremo

     
    Originally Posted by Lord Supremo View Post

    lol, 0% chance that's true


    i have trouble believing it but hes one of the few pols i would assume was truthful before fact checking. im thinking the figure was include administrators as well would be my first guess but would definitely like to see where hes getting his figures
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    Feb 25th, 2011 (2/25/2011 6:46am) in reply to tekiller

    Seriously rand paul is someone I thought wouldn't stoop down to this so I can't wait till this gets thoroughly fact checked, don't make me lose the faith rand.
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    Feb 25th, 2011 (2/25/2011 6:48am) in reply to coachstove

     
    Originally Posted by coachstove View Post

    what are we getting?

    Hopefully a job in the private sector where you won't have union thugs negotiating for you and we can see how you do on your own merits.
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    Feb 25th, 2011 (2/25/2011 6:50am) in reply to Underdog

    sounds closer to the average public sector salary + benefits. - ish
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    Feb 25th, 2011 (2/25/2011 6:51am) in reply to Underdog

     
    Originally Posted by Underdog View Post

    Hopefully a job in the private sector where you won't have union thugs negotiating for you and we can see how you do on your own merits.

    Politics really fires you up, huh?

    Did you ever get my PM with my email for the power rankings?
     
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    Feb 25th, 2011 (2/25/2011 6:54am) in reply to gamma21

     
    Originally Posted by gamma21 View Post

    Politics really fires you up, huh?

    Did you ever get my PM with my email for the power rankings?

    Yeah, you're all set. I'll be sending you a Google Docs link where you can input your rankings soon. If you can use that, it will make my life much easier.

    Unfortunately, we aren't going to do the March 1st pre-season rankings. Probably March 15th. Work is killing me. (Too bad I don't have a union to give me a featherbedded cushy job where I could do it at work, like moocher teachers.)
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    Feb 25th, 2011 (2/25/2011 7:02am) in reply to Underdog

     
    Originally Posted by Underdog View Post

    Hopefully a job in the private sector where you won't have union thugs negotiating for you and we can see how you do on your own merits.

    ummm...I do not belong to a union, but I would love to be paid what my work "merits", since I am confident that somebody with 17 years on the job with a Masters Degree "merits" more than the $40k a year that I get paid for teaching right now.
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    Feb 25th, 2011 (2/25/2011 7:03am) in reply to coachstove

     
    Originally Posted by coachstove View Post

    ummm...I do not belong to a union, but I would love to be paid what my work "merits", since I am confident that somebody with 17 years on the job with a Masters Degree "merits" more than the $40k a year that I get paid for teaching right now.

    If you feel you deserve more seek more elsewhere.
     
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    Feb 25th, 2011 (2/25/2011 7:03am) in reply to coachstove

     
    Originally Posted by coachstove View Post

    ummm...I do not belong to a union, but I would love to be paid what my work "merits", since I am confident that somebody with 17 years on the job with a Masters Degree "merits" more than the $40k a year that I get paid for teaching right now.

    Look, if you're not part of the solution, then you're part of the problem. Are schools fucked up in the US right now? Yes. QED.
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    Feb 25th, 2011 (2/25/2011 7:12am) in reply to Underdog

     
    Originally Posted by Underdog View Post

    Yeah, you're all set. I'll be sending you a Google Docs link where you can input your rankings soon. If you can use that, it will make my life much easier.

    Unfortunately, we aren't going to do the March 1st pre-season rankings. Probably March 15th. Work is killing me. (Too bad I don't have a union to give me a featherbedded cushy job where I could do it at work, like moocher teachers.)

    Ok, it is a bit past my bedtime so my reading comprehension isn't what it normally is, and maybe my sarcasm/level radar is not working properly so if you are just being sarcastic / leveling then good one and lol. If not, I would love to hear how I am a mooch. In the meantime, I am heading to bed...my first class started at 7:55 this morning, my last class ended at 3:03, which was followed by parent teacher conferences until 8:00 pm...so I have had a long day of mooching. I really hope that I am just missing the sarcasm.
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    Feb 25th, 2011 (2/25/2011 7:21am) in reply to coachstove

    lmao, 1,000 posts just doesn't mean what it used to anymore
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    Feb 25th, 2011 (2/25/2011 7:22am) in reply to Lord Supremo

    Just picking up where this thread left off you goddam liberal pansy-assed union moocher.

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    Feb 25th, 2011 (2/25/2011 7:30am) in reply to Underdog

     
    Originally Posted by Underdog View Post

    Look, if you're not part of the solution, then you're part of the problem. Are schools fucked up in the US right now? Yes. QED.

    I thought I was going to bed...ugh...a few questions.

    1. Why do you say that schools in the US are fucked up right now?
    2. I currently have 160+ students that I meet with every day and do everything within my ability to do my part to provide them with the best education possible. What should I be doing differently to make me part of the solution? How would getting a job in the private sector make me part of the solution?
    3. What are you doing that makes you part of the solution or are you part of the problem too?

    Now I am going to bed for real, but I look forward to continuing our discussion tomorrow.
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  19. marinersheep marinersheep is offline This is stupid.

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    Feb 25th, 2011 (2/25/2011 7:34am) in reply to coachstove

     
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    Feb 25th, 2011 (2/25/2011 7:35am) in reply to marinersheep

    maybe he was including university professors (they are kinda teacher) in that average?
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    Feb 25th, 2011 (2/25/2011 7:35am) in reply to whatsup

    http://dpi.state.wi.us/lbstat/newasr.html

    Sounds like a salary v. compensation (salary plus benefits) issue to me. If Paul said "salary" when he should have said "compensation" then shame on him for not being more accurate.
    Edited By: Willywoo Feb 25th, 2011 at 07:41 AM
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    Feb 25th, 2011 (2/25/2011 7:41am) in reply to coachstove

     
    Originally Posted by coachstove View Post

    I thought I was going to bed...ugh...a few questions.

    1. Why do you say that schools in the US are fucked up right now?
    2. I currently have 160+ students that I meet with every day and do everything within my ability to do my part to provide them with the best education possible. What should I be doing differently to make me part of the solution? How would getting a job in the private sector make me part of the solution?
    3. What are you doing that makes you part of the solution or are you part of the problem too?

    Now I am going to bed for real, but I look forward to continuing our discussion tomorrow.

    I don't answer questions from goddam liberals. You morans are always going on and on with facts and figures and logic and shit, instead of using common sense and gut feelings, and you still fail to figure out the simplest things that a dog can understand.

    Unions are destroying this country and teachers are more worried about tenure and teaching kids self esteem instead of math and reading and Christian values. Oh what am I thinking, you probably believe in evolution, lmao, whatever monkey boy.
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    Feb 25th, 2011 (2/25/2011 7:42am) in reply to coachstove

    Don't know if it's true or not, but some FB friends from Wisconsin said that teachers made around 90k. I only saw data for administrators and don't see anything out of line.

    Edit: Supposedly their salary + benefits = around 90k. Still don't know if this is true or not.
    Edited By: midmoguy Feb 25th, 2011 at 07:49 AM
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    Feb 25th, 2011 (2/25/2011 8:36am) in reply to midmoguy

    Super bowl cut.
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    Feb 25th, 2011 (2/25/2011 2:41pm) in reply to BDSPKRSTR

    working in a school district in wisconsin... I'd have to say that is untrue.

    In my district, starting teachers make around 29K. The average teacher here probably makes between 34-40K.


    Edit: Let me also add that teacher with a masters degree and that have been here 25+ years cant even top out much over 50k.
    Edited By: dills2214 Feb 25th, 2011 at 02:43 PM
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    Feb 25th, 2011 (2/25/2011 2:45pm) in reply to dills2214

    FWIW, I heard the same figure from my buddies wife who teaches. I thought it seamed like a crazy figure, but this was like a year ago. Someone is making this claim to a wholes lot of people. She heard it in her MAT program at TAMU I think.
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    Feb 25th, 2011 (2/25/2011 2:54pm) in reply to TiltinShoes

    Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach.

    Those who really can't, teach gym.

    jk
     
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    Feb 25th, 2011 (2/25/2011 3:11pm) in reply to BigGunX

    ITT we have an underdog in kellykip clothing.

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    Feb 25th, 2011 (2/25/2011 4:07pm) in reply to Willywoo

     
    Originally Posted by Willywoo View Post

    http://dpi.state.wi.us/lbstat/newasr.html

    Sounds like a salary v. compensation (salary plus benefits) issue to me. If Paul said "salary" when he should have said "compensation" then shame on him for not being more accurate.

    Wouldn't have mattered much if he did. I think people take benefits for granted in most positions, and are completely unaware of the costs of health care and the like. The fact that this money really only get brought up when there's a labor dispute with a union, makes people think unions are getting more than they deserve even though, most people have nothing to compare it to.
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    Feb 25th, 2011 (2/25/2011 4:21pm) in reply to pistol45

    sounds more like the average salary of a tenured professor.
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