userid363 is obv watching fox news too much, because they use the term "creepy" and "crazy old grandpa" all the time about RP.

How does he come off as creepy? Can we get some examples?

 

Originally Posted by userid363

RP comes off as creepy. Serious as cancer

grandpas are dignified

I never got the decision to play the sax on whatever latenight talk show that was. Thought it was a bad idea

Weren't you also saying Paul Ryan could never get elected because his hair cut was nerdy?

I didn't say anything about Paul Rand's haircut. Now if he parted it in the middle...

I think you guys saying that Ron Paul would destroy Obama in a general election have far too much faith in the voting public.

lol Ron Paul homers

 

Originally Posted by Kugr84

Every libertarian has the appearance of a child molester? Really? That's the best argument you have?

looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool jesus

 

Originally Posted by marinersheep

lol Ron Paul homers

yupp

 

Originally Posted by Brooklyn999

loooooooooooooooooooooooooool

Dems should be much more scared of RP winning the nomination. Obama would lose. Think what you want but it's true. Obama would lose to RP. In a landslide.



Just like a few years ago when folks were saying Obama didn't have a chance in hell, right?

jesus christ lol

Ron Paul homers gonna count to potato.

Cain is Able

There is only one man, and one man only that can beat Obama.. Romney. RP stands absolutely no chance, not even worth debating.

 

Originally Posted by Sweetness777

There is only one man, and one man only that can beat Obama.. Romney. RP stands absolutely no chance, not even worth debating.

I'm gonna be slightly more generous than this. Romney could beat Obama...Huntsman would beat Obama...Perry might be able to beat Obama if the economy stays bad enough...that's pretty much it tho.

 

Originally Posted by mordan

Romney has no shot, there is no one who can beat Obama basically.

this is nearly as wrong as "Ron Paul would beat Obama in a landslide." What is leading you to this conclusion? Obama is an incumbent with a 42% approval rating and the unemployment rate is at 9.1%. He's the definition of a vulnerable incumbent.

 

Originally Posted by Lord Supremo

this is nearly as wrong as "Ron Paul would beat Obama in a landslide." What is leading you to this conclusion? Obama is an incumbent with a 42% approval rating and the unemployment rate is at 9.1%. He's the definition of a vulnerable incumbent.

I guess I shouldn't be so absolute, I put it at 95-5.

What leads me to the conclusion is a few things. Romneys message is not enough to pull the center voters away from Obama. Obama will move center hard during the election, esp in debates, and he will crush crush crush Romeny in that area, which no matter what his rating are now or before the election this alone will give him the victory.

All Obama needs to win this upcoming election is the center votes, the Repubs need some dem/obama converts, and the center to win.....that is why I give Ron Paul a better chance than Romney, he IMO is the only candidate who would/could have a chance against Obama in that regard. I however actually think RP would win the center in a landslide

(guess I should put IMO after every post but I think thats obv)

 

Originally Posted by Lord Supremo

Except the only people who perceive things this way are you and your fellow Dyztopians. To the average voter, a mainline Republican represents a new direction for economic policy from Obama. Paul represents an alternative in the same way that "fuck that, I'ma go hard right into this ditch" is an alternative to taking the left or right fork in a road.

He'll gain a lot of traction with the anti-war left for his foreign policy positions and some of the "occupy wall street" types for his position on the bailouts and the fed. I think you "poo poo" the interest he'll get from the left on some of his policies. Paul may be looked upon favorably by those why typically just dismiss Republicans "out of hand" because of their religiously authoritarian streak.

 

Originally Posted by Lord Supremo

Until Obama reminds them that this is the guy who wants to (insert infinity insane Ron Paul ideas that are the antithesis of everything liberals stand for)

He can do that with any candidate. Paul would be no different there. Obama'd have a hard time selling the fact that he'd be the president for peace and protection of civil liberties though.

 

Originally Posted by mordan

I guess I shouldn't be so absolute, I put it at 95-5.

What leads me to the conclusion is a few things. Romneys message is not enough to pull the center voters away from Obama. Obama will move center hard during the election, esp in debates, and he will crush crush crush Romeny in that area, which no matter what his rating are now or before the election this alone will give him the victory.

All Obama needs to win this upcoming election is the center votes, the Repubs need some dem/obama converts, and the center to win.....that is why I give Ron Paul a better chance than Romney, he IMO is the only candidate who would/could have a chance against Obama in that regard. I however actually think RP would win the center in a landslide

(guess I should put IMO after every post but I think thats obv)

I like Ron Paul a lot. I don't think this is true. What center? I understand Paul has views against military involvement that people on the left and center might agree with but do you really think that abolishing the department of education, phasing out SS are views people in the center agree with.

Bottom line you need old people to vote for you to win and if Paul won the nomination the left would have old people so scared of him there is no way he could get 40% of that demographic. I also don't think he wins the center against anyone.

I surprised you don't think Romney is center enough. He's a R from Massachusetts if you think the general public will find him too far right and Obama (you know the guy pushing socialized health care) center then I think we are in more trouble than I thought. Maybe the R's should just raise the white flag and run Hillary

The problem with Paul is that many of his beliefs are so far out of the mainstream the initial reaction to them is fear and he is too honest to say what he needs to say to get elected. Most of these guys are complete frauds that will say anything to get elected.

 

Originally Posted by Lord Supremo

Right, but you're not making the argument that "any candidate" can siphon off the anti-war left.

That's my point. The other Republicans wouldn't be able to get those votes like Paul could. My main point is that it matters less who the Republican nominee is and more on what the economy is perceived to be doing around election time.