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Ron Santo elected to HOF

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  1. BillMueller BillMueller is offline OT President

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    Dec 5th, 2011 (12/5/2011 4:37pm)

    Plenty to discuss here. I am sure the majority of Cubs fans will say its well deserved, etc. while others may disagree.

    http://couriernews.suntimes.com/9260...l-of-fame.html

    Former Cubs great Ron Santo has been elected to the Baseball Hall of Fame by the Veterans Committee.

    Santo was picked almost a year after he died. He was a nine-time All-Star third baseman, hit 342 home runs and won five Gold Gloves. A Cubs broadcaster for two decades, Santo eagerly rooted for his favorite team on the air.
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    Dec 5th, 2011 (12/5/2011 4:41pm) in reply to BillMueller

    Don't know enough about baseball to know whether he is worthy or not, but he was a great great guy. So much passion for baseball. Definitely still missed for Cubs fans.
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    Dec 5th, 2011 (12/5/2011 4:47pm) in reply to coolhandkev

    So he gets denied multiple times while he's alive but gets in when he's dead?
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    Dec 5th, 2011 (12/5/2011 4:59pm) in reply to LVpokerdealer

    Too late

    Rip Ron
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    Dec 5th, 2011 (12/5/2011 5:36pm) in reply to tamayo85

    I feel better about Jim Rice being in the HOF.
     
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    Dec 5th, 2011 (12/5/2011 5:41pm) in reply to BillMueller

    I am not sure it was well deserved, and hopefully he wasn't picked because he died last year, but at the same time have no issues and congrats to Cubs fans and the Santo family.
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    Dec 5th, 2011 (12/5/2011 7:15pm) in reply to wackyJaxon

    At least he was elected in time to appreciate it.
    Edited By: gamma21 Dec 5th, 2011 at 07:15 PM
     
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    Dec 5th, 2011 (12/5/2011 8:29pm) in reply to gamma21

    No doubter, should've been in long before. No idea why it took this long.
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    Dec 5th, 2011 (12/5/2011 8:55pm) in reply to wackyJaxon

     
    Originally Posted by wackyJaxon View Post

    I am not sure it was well deserved, and hopefully he wasn't picked because he died last year, but at the same time have no issues and congrats to Cubs fans and the Santo family.


    That is why its BS. If they were going to do it then they should have while he was alive imo.
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    Dec 5th, 2011 (12/5/2011 11:08pm) in reply to krs33

     
    Originally Posted by krs33 View Post

    No doubter, should've been in long before. No idea why it took this long.

    Completely not a Cubs fan, completely agree with his enshrinement. Shoulda happend a LONG time ago. With his defense he should've been in before teammate Billy Williams. Now if they could just get Gil Hodges.
     
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    Dec 6th, 2011 (12/6/2011 12:15am) in reply to tamayo85

     
    Originally Posted by tamayo85 View Post

    Too late

    Rip Ron

    I kind of wish the family would say thanks for the honor, but since Ron can't be there on induction day we'll stay at home too.

    for a man to be retired this long and not make it while alive and then get voted in a year after he dies bothers me
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    Dec 6th, 2011 (12/6/2011 1:03am) in reply to SluggerWV

    Numbers don't really ad up to HOF career but the HOF Committee is a bunch of old players that don't want to share their status with anyone.That's not really how it should be either.
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    Dec 6th, 2011 (12/6/2011 2:43am) in reply to raisethis2

    stats dont appear to be HOF numbers
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    Dec 6th, 2011 (12/6/2011 2:45am) in reply to smheilbron

    Gil Hodges please.
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    Dec 6th, 2011 (12/6/2011 3:40am) in reply to SluggerWV

     
    Originally Posted by SluggerWV View Post

    I kind of wish the family would say thanks for the honor, but since Ron can't be there on induction day we'll stay at home too.

    for a man to be retired this long and not make it while alive and then get voted in a year after he dies bothers me

    QFMFT!!!!
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    Dec 6th, 2011 (12/6/2011 3:51am) in reply to smheilbron

     
    Originally Posted by smheilbron View Post

    stats dont appear to be HOF numbers

    Consider his peak & defensive value. No doubt HOFer.
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    Dec 6th, 2011 (12/6/2011 3:56am) in reply to krs33

    Yeah when looking at his basic stats I thought he wasn't a HOFer, but get into his advanced stats and his awards section of baseball reference and he's a no-doubter HOF 3B.

    For example, he led the league in triples once. OPS+ of 125, 9 All Star games in 14 seasons, 5 Gold Gloves, 105th alltime in WAR, led the league in walks 4 times... if you go past his BA, HR, RBI lines he's a definite HOFer.
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    Dec 6th, 2011 (12/6/2011 4:15am) in reply to Bonestein

    why they feel the need to induct someone after they die is pretty lol
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    Dec 6th, 2011 (12/6/2011 5:22am) in reply to raisethis2

     
    Originally Posted by raisethis2 View Post

    Numbers don't really ad up to HOF career but the HOF Committee is a bunch of old players that don't want to share their status with anyone.That's not really how it should be either.


    His all around stats tho... He was one the best all around 3rd baseman EVER... Not to mention all his contributions to baseball in general
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    Dec 6th, 2011 (12/6/2011 5:28am) in reply to linds3236

    should be in on character alone
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    Dec 6th, 2011 (12/6/2011 5:29am) in reply to d1am0ndc

    Who?
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    Dec 6th, 2011 (12/6/2011 10:06am) in reply to smheilbron

     
    Originally Posted by smheilbron View Post

    stats dont appear to be HOF numbers

    His stats are skewed by the era he played in. Keep in mind that MLB lowered the mound in 1969 and the AL instituted a DH a few years later to increase scoring.
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    Dec 6th, 2011 (12/6/2011 12:34pm) in reply to Dyzalot

     
    Originally Posted by Dyzalot View Post

    His stats are skewed by the era he played in. Keep in mind that MLB lowered the mound in 1969 and the AL instituted a DH a few years later to increase scoring.

    His stats are much BETTER if you account for his era. They pale in comparison to what we consider an HOF'er today, but against his contemporaries he is far superior, then take into account he did it all while playing a stellar 3b. He played his entire career in the NL (except for a meaningless partial season across town) wtf does the DH have to do with anything?
    Edited By: snaggs Dec 6th, 2011 at 12:34 PM
     
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    Dec 6th, 2011 (12/6/2011 12:36pm) in reply to snaggs

     
    Originally Posted by snaggs View Post

    His stats are much BETTER if you account for his era. They pale in comparison to what we consider an HOF'er today, but against his contemporaries he is far superior, then take into account he did it all while playing a stellar 3b. He played his entire career in the NL (except for a meaningless partial season across town) wtf does the DH have to do with anything?

    You misunderstood I think. I was making the same case. I was pointing out that scoring was so low MLB felt the need to lower the mound and the AL felt the need to start using the DH.
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    Dec 6th, 2011 (12/6/2011 1:42pm) in reply to Dyzalot

    Ron Santo was a Hall of Fame human being. He was a very good baseball player.
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    Dec 6th, 2011 (12/6/2011 2:06pm) in reply to phish42O

    Feel pretty sad that this couldn't have been done for him before he died. His two greatest desires, the Hall and a World Series, eluded him during his lifetime.
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    Dec 8th, 2011 (12/8/2011 2:21pm) in reply to Dyzalot

     
    Originally Posted by Dyzalot View Post

    You misunderstood I think. I was making the same case. I was pointing out that scoring was so low MLB felt the need to lower the mound and the AL felt the need to start using the DH.

    Ah, that makes more sense, sorry to call you out when we were agreeing!
     
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