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yes, I agree he wants to help and make a difference.... but do not jsutify the expense of this program by taxing the"wealthy" more. We all live here and should all participate in "fixing" this country....... we should all pay the same RATE (%) for taxes. If I pay 35%, then the guy making 40k a year should pay 35% as well.Originally Posted by LitezOut
I'd say he's trying to change the status quo that everyone has been bitching about for as long as I can remember. The gvt is too big... they aren't doing enough... they're too involved... they aren't involved enough. Who know's what's right or what's wrong. Obama isn't sitting in a room hatching his evil plan. He's listening to expert opinions, listening to advisors, coming up with solutions and proposing them to congress. If they don't make sense, congress should figure out how to fix it or drop it.
I think he actually gives a shit and wants to make things work better for our future, maybe he's on the wrong track, IDK, but frankly he couldn't fuck up any more than the bumbling idiot who just left. I know, I don't know shit, but I really give him credit for trying to do something. Maybe his methods are fucked but he's not just playing the game. -
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I thought he said he would like to see it paid for by limiting the itemized deductions for people who make 1million plus... limiting tax shelters seems like a good idea. But anyway, I agree that some kind of flat tax is the way to go but if you do that, there would have to be zero tax shelters allowed.
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I believe that is the scariest part of this situation. If this passes, and does nothing the President says it will, and it causes higher unemployment and huge deficits. There is no reset button. It will be here forever. Is there any politician that could vote to take away a poor persons "free healthcare"?
Instead the President is trying to rush it thru, when numerous non partisan bodies have huge questions. It certainly make you question his motives doesnt it? -
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tax shelters are bs anyway, imo.....just be fair and tax all the same... there wouldnt be a need for tax shelters if the gov wasnt always screwing the people who need a tax shelter.... he says one thing on TV and the bill says another when you read it. It calls for 5.4% tax increase on those who make a combined annual income of $1 mil...... from 1-5% increase for people who make $280k+
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Disagree. He wants to make it look like he wants to help and make a difference while continuing to fulfill the agenda of people in higher power and global control. No one that wants to help and make a difference uses constant lies and spins to make that difference. People that truly want to help and make a difference are honest, truthful and trustworthy. To me, Obama is an evil puppet master and a pawn used by a higher group of global elite.Originally Posted by utterczar
yes, I agree he wants to help and make a difference.... but do not jsutify the expense of this program by taxing the"wealthy" more. We all live here and should all participate in "fixing" this country....... we should all pay the same RATE (%) for taxes. If I pay 35%, then the guy making 40k a year should pay 35% as well.
I obv could be waaaaaaaaaay off, but this scenario continues to seem more and more likely in my crazy lil mind. -
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PM Confessions of an economic hitman, IMO.
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i have heard rumors, (confirm if true please) that some of the world's/countries richest people get together and dictate policy... sounds too conspiracy like for me, but after seeing some the BS that is going on, I wouldn't be suprisedOriginally Posted by marinersheep
Disagree. He wants to make it look like he wants to help and make a difference while continuing to fulfill the agenda of people in higher power and global control. No one that wants to help and make a difference uses constant lies and spins to make that difference. People that truly want to help and make a difference are honest, truthful and trustworthy. To me, Obama is an evil puppet master and a pawn used by a higher group of global elite.Originally Posted by utterczar
yes, I agree he wants to help and make a difference.... but do not jsutify the expense of this program by taxing the"wealthy" more. We all live here and should all participate in "fixing" this country....... we should all pay the same RATE (%) for taxes. If I pay 35%, then the guy making 40k a year should pay 35% as well.
I obv could be waaaaaaaaaay off, but this scenario continues to seem more and more likely in my crazy lil mind. -
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what you are saying in essence is that politics doesn't achieve goals. All politicians lie and spin in their attempt to make changes (i.e. make a difference). So what everyone "wants" and what "happens" are on two different planes.Originally Posted by marinersheep
No one that wants to help and make a difference uses constant lies and spins to make that difference.
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lol, you realize he is doing the exact opposite of what the world's riches would want him to do, ya?Originally Posted by utterczar
i have heard rumors, (confirm if true please) that some of the world's/countries richest people get together and dictate policy... sounds too conspiracy like for me, but after seeing some the BS that is going on, I wouldn't be suprised
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Yes, yes it does.Originally Posted by scgolfer
I believe that is the scariest part of this situation. If this passes, and does nothing the President says it will, and it causes higher unemployment and huge deficits. There is no reset button. It will be here forever. Is there any politician that could vote to take away a poor persons "free healthcare"?
Instead the President is trying to rush it thru, when numerous non partisan bodies have huge questions. It certainly make you question his motives doesnt it?
From March 10th:
Originally Posted by marinersheep
The odds that Obama and his closest administrators are intentionally destroying the American way of life continue to grow. Whether this is a good thing or bad thing, I'm not sure yet.
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better care! more coverage! lower cost!
and a soda machine in every hallway of the school....just vote mr galt for class prez -
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I should clarify that I meant that anyone that is truly working for and on behalf of the people would not use lies and spins to achieve their agenda. While politicians "make a difference" and make changes, their lies and spins indicate that they're more concerned with their own power and pleasing lobbyists than with the views of the people. People that actually want to make a positive change for humanity do so in a totally honest, candid and transparent fashion.Originally Posted by resilient
what you are saying in essence is that politics doesn't achieve goals. All politicians lie and spin in their attempt to make changes (i.e. make a difference). So what everyone "wants" and what "happens" are on two different planes.Originally Posted by marinersheep
No one that wants to help and make a difference uses constant lies and spins to make that difference.
Out of all the policies that people have, honesty is the best policy there is and ever will be. -
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Huh?Originally Posted by Neeek
lol, you realize he is doing the exact opposite of what the world's riches would want him to do, ya?Originally Posted by utterczar
i have heard rumors, (confirm if true please) that some of the world's/countries richest people get together and dictate policy... sounds too conspiracy like for me, but after seeing some the BS that is going on, I wouldn't be suprised
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Originally Posted by Neeek
lol, you realize he is doing the exact opposite of what the world's riches would want him to do, ya? I never refrenced Obama. I was referring to what marinersheep had posted..Originally Posted by utterczar
i have heard rumors, (confirm if true please) that some of the world's/countries richest people get together and dictate policy... sounds too conspiracy like for me, but after seeing some the BS that is going on, I wouldn't be suprised
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Mr Galt
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should have used a basketball imo
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most people don't question the concept of what you're saying..... it's just not reality. The democratic system under which we exist provides for lobbying and political wrangling.... and quite honestly destroys the ideals that you mention, which most of us wish would occur. That is driven by the democratic and competitive process of achieving goals under which we operate. But unfortunately, the only alternative is dictatorship or other controlled government.Originally Posted by marinersheep
should clarify that I meant that anyone that is truly working for and on behalf of the people would not use lies and spins to achieve their agenda. While politicians "make a difference" and make changes, their lies and spins indicate that they're more concerned with their own power and pleasing lobbyists than with the views of the people. People that actually want to make a positive change for humanity do so in a totally honest, candid and transparent fashion.
Out of all the policies that people have, honesty is the best policy there is and ever will be.
My point is that the ideals which you profess can only exist in a utopian society...where everyone agrees on all priniples. Anyone who operates under such ideal standards in the society in which we exist will find their goals to be thwarted. -
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Which is why this world drives me crazy and makes meOriginally Posted by resilient
most people don't question the concept of what you're saying..... it's just not reality. The democratic system under which we exist provides for lobbying and political wrangling.... and quite honestly destroys the ideals that you mention, which most of us wish would occur. That is driven by the democratic and competitive process of achieving goals under which we operate. But unfortunately, the only alternative is dictatorship or other controlled government.Originally Posted by marinersheep
should clarify that I meant that anyone that is truly working for and on behalf of the people would not use lies and spins to achieve their agenda. While politicians "make a difference" and make changes, their lies and spins indicate that they're more concerned with their own power and pleasing lobbyists than with the views of the people. People that actually want to make a positive change for humanity do so in a totally honest, candid and transparent fashion.
Out of all the policies that people have, honesty is the best policy there is and ever will be.
My point is that the ideals which you profess can only exist in a utopian society...where we all agree that everything is perfect. Anyone who operates under such ideal standards in the society in which we exist will find their goals to be thwarted.
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America, you're going to love my nuts!Originally Posted by ginwilly
this was too good to ignoreOriginally Posted by skisteve
And if you Act Now we will include this FREE energy bill too!
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Dibg ding ding! Quoting for The agreeing with neek reference section which I just opened now. Don't miss the grand opening sale on aisle 1, things will be gone very quickly I predict.... More like "ibama" agrees with the worlds elite poor who want to get power through opportunity and manipulation of causes but really the same old goal. (with less people in control of more things and feeding their massive egos.) see: Hugo Chavez. Links freely available on teh googles.Originally Posted by Neeek
lol, you realize he is doing the exact opposite of what the world's riches would want him to do, ya?Originally Posted by utterczar
i have heard rumors, (confirm if true please) that some of the world's/countries richest people get together and dictate policy... sounds too conspiracy like for me, but after seeing some the BS that is going on, I wouldn't be suprised
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilderberg_GroupOriginally Posted by utterczar
i have heard rumors, (confirm if true please) that some of the world's/countries richest people get together and dictate policy... sounds too conspiracy like for me, but after seeing some the BS that is going on, I wouldn't be suprised
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bohemian_Grove (actually going on now, or just wrapping up maybe)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAaQNACwaLw (The Obama Deception full length film)
http://www.infowars.com/ (the answer to 1984 is 1776)
Of course the bill is going through. Carbon taxes are coming next. BOHICA.
And to guys like Neeek (who I'm sure is a pleasant enough fellow), you're the minority now. Most of us can see this sham for what it is. -
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many of you have never really utilized health care on an ongoing basis. the rates are ridiculous. things MUST change. i know what i paid each month was ridiculous, and what i had to come up with for an operation before they would do the procedure was also harsh. i hope obama's plan passes and FAST!
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change just for the sake of change is not always the answer. Obama's plan (not really his, he hasn't even read it, Obama's plan would be a single payer source).Originally Posted by above_films
many of you have never really utilized health care on an ongoing basis. the rates are ridiculous. things MUST change. i know what i paid each month was ridiculous, and what i had to come up with for an operation before they would do the procedure was also harsh. i hope obama's plan passes and FAST!
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i don't think they allow teleprompters in classrooms when you're teaching constitutional law on a university campus.Originally Posted by CASHRUS
He is a radical left wing puppet. Without a teleprompter to keep his lies straight he can't function.
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At least you agree with the radical left wing puppet partOriginally Posted by above_films
i don't think they allow teleprompters in classrooms when you're teaching constitutional law on a university campus.Originally Posted by CASHRUS
He is a radical left wing puppet. Without a teleprompter to keep his lies straight he can't function.
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Joined: Jan 06Jul 25th, 2009 (7/25/2009 5:28pm) in reply to ohioschwa
i found this interesting article in a predominantly pro-Obama newspaper
Obama claims health care is bankrupting the nation. What he didn't say is the Commerce Department reports that the four priorities of medical, food, energy and housing represented 55.4 percent of consumer spending in 2007. The same categories represented a nearly identical 53.3 percent of spending in 1960.
the rest of the article can be read here
what Obama isn't telling us
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