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  1. So im in a $100 ffb league that is run by one of my buddies. We decided on all the rules at the time of the draft ex:voting on trades, payout, etc. So a couple of days ago a trade was proposed and the league voted and the majority voted no. So now a couple of guys in the league (one of them involved in the trade obv) r raising hell and have convinced the commish to stop the voting on trades and now all trades r commish approved only. So now im in a huge argument with my friends over this. He thinks its fair and i dont. Ur thoughts...oh yeah and here was the proposed trade..

    Team A:Jay Cutler and Jason Witten

    Team B:Knowshawn Moreno
  2. seems fair depending on team and what his teams needs are
    Edited By: orgnalsooners Sep 23rd, 2010 at 09:49 PM
     
  3. i think it's just a lot easier that way
  4. trade is fair. but the rules are the rules and there is no changing them in the middle of the season. That being said, everybody in that vetoed that trade is a dick. thats why veto power should be soley in the hands of the commish and or co commish and not the people. that trade should not be vetoed. there will not be a single trade in that league that goes thru.

    You are no longer obligated to pay btw. You agreed to pay 100 dollars with the rules that were set forth. If they change the rules, your not obligated to pay anymore. Drop out of the league now and tell them your not paying. If youve already paid demand your money back.
    Edited By: Bigblind Popper Sep 23rd, 2010 at 09:51 PM
  5. If your friends vetoed that trade, you should probably stop hanging out with idiots.

    That said, changing the rules midseason is pretty awful and you should certainly be entitled to your money back, then to totally fuck the league by dumping your entire team into free agency.
  6. There is nothing inherently wrong with that trade. People should be allowed to make bad trades, trades that fill needs and such. The only trades that should be vetoed are obvious signs of collusion or that are just blatently gross.
    Edited By: TheFirm53 Sep 23rd, 2010 at 10:07 PM
  7. Top rated QB (for the time being) and solid TE for a RB with 111 yards. Seems fishy. I'd vote no.
  8.  
    Originally Posted by Bigblind Popper View Post

    that trade should not be vetoed.

    This.

     
    Originally Posted by Bigblind Popper View Post

    You are no longer obligated to pay btw. You agreed to pay 100 dollars with the rules that were set forth. If they change the rules, your not obligated to pay anymore. Drop out of the league now and tell them your not paying. If youve already paid demand your money back.

    Not this.

    Bottom line is the league was formed with certain rules in place and one of them gives managers trade veto power. Every player should stick to the rules that were in place prior to the draft.

    The only way that a rule change should be allowed at this point is by a majority vote. If the league wants to switch from league voting to commish approval, a majority of the players need to agree to it. I'd also do it anonymously so people don't get all butt hurt about who votes which way.

    Democracy doesn't work in fantasy sports. Dictatorship, ftw.

    Edit: Oh, and as to the trade, as others have mentioned, people need to understand that trades don't need to be "even" to be "fair." A manager shouldn't be penalized for negotiating a good deal. Maybe the dude with Cutler is hurting at RB and is willing to give up more to bolster that position. Only obvious collusion efforts should be shot down.
    Edited By: aj_law Sep 23rd, 2010 at 10:03 PM
  9. I am the commish for a $100 league and I make all trade approvals or denials. If a trade is at all questionable, I will put it out for vote to the league with the teams involved in the trade not getting a vote. Simple majority wins, and I break the tie. But these were the rules for the season started.

    You cannot change a league rule after the league has started UNLESS you get the majority to agree to changing the rules. If it's a minor rule change (like this), I wouldn't say that you have the right to leave the league or get your money back. If it was something major (like a scoring change or allowing QB's to used for the RB/WR flex position) then yeah, you could leave/get money back.

    Onto the trade - is this trade filling needs on both teams? I don't like it because Knowshown is not (yet) a #1 RB, but you are getting a starting QB (hate him or not, Orton is getting a lot of points) and Witten is the #1/2 overall TE. Trade is definitely in favor of the guy getting Orton/Witten, but it isn't outrageously bad.
     
  10.  
    Originally Posted by zander View Post

    If your friends vetoed that trade, you should probably stop hanging out with idiots.


    That said, changing the rules midseason is pretty awful and you should certainly be entitled to your money back, then to totally fuck the league by dumping your entire team into free agency.

    Changing the rules bout voting on trades wk3 is fucked and I'm not paying obv.

     
    Originally Posted by TheFirm53 View Post

    There is nothing inherently wrong with that trade. People should be allowed to make bad trades, trades that fill needs and such. The only trades that should be vetoed are obvious signs of collusion or that are just blatently gross.

    I understand what you are saying, but at the same time its not my fucking problem that dude took P. Manning and J. Cutler in the first five rounds of the draft and is desperate for a rb in wk 3. Just cus he has a need at rb does not mean I should vote yes on said trade if i dont like it.

     
    Originally Posted by d1am0ndc View Post

    Top rated QB (for the time being) and solid TE for a RB with 111 yards. Seems fishy. I'd vote no.

    NO SHIT I don't understand where most u ppl think this is fair trade K. Moreno's points have come off of 3 fucking plays and he's a top 10 rb? U gotta be kidding me Moreno won't be in the top 15 rb's by the end of he yr imo.


     
    Originally Posted by Bigblind Popper View Post

    trade is fair. but the rules are the rules and there is no changing them in the middle of the season. That being said, everybody in that vetoed that trade is a dick. thats why veto power should be soley in the hands of the commish and or co commish and not the people. that trade should not be vetoed. there will not be a single trade in that league that goes thru.

    You are no longer obligated to pay btw. You agreed to pay 100 dollars with the rules that were set forth. If they change the rules, your not obligated to pay anymore. Drop out of the league now and tell them your not paying. If youve already paid demand your money back.

    The trade was not vetoed all trades "used" to be voted on by the league owners. and the majority voted no. If we all paid our hundred fucking dollars and were allowed to vote on trades than fuck everyone who bitches about it
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  11. i hate the voting on trades. like others have mention, trades don't have to be fair. as long as its not blatant collusion, why do you penalize a manager for getting a good trade??

    another thing, say both of these teams are 0-2 and need to do something in order to have a chance, its BS that people can veto because they don't think its "fair"(when really they don't want these teams to improve in order to maybe take a playoff spot)
     
  12. heaving the league vote on trades is a terrible thing imo. that being said, changing the rules mid-season means i definitely wouldn't play in that league next year. when the rules are set, they need to stay that way the whole season.
  13. gotta have commish veteo power but need to stick by the rules the league was formed under.

    The trade does benefit the side getting culter and witten but sometimes if he really needs a RB then sometimes you have take the short end of a deal in order to fill the void on your team. You should only vote down a trade if obv collusion, not just because you are not a fan of the trade. Hence, commish veteo power so jealous owners cant just vote down a trade because they arent the ones getting a benefit from it.
  14.  
    Originally Posted by quietwinner View Post

    i hate the voting on trades. like others have mention, trades don't have to be fair. as long as its not blatant collusion, why do you penalize a manager for getting a good trade??

    another thing, say both of these teams are 0-2 and need to do something in order to have a chance, its BS that people can veto because they don't think its "fair"(when really they don't want these teams to improve in order to maybe take a playoff spot)

    the guy getting witten and cutler is 2-0, the guy getting moreno is 0-2...
    Thread Starter
  15. ok so its basically the same thing. why punish a guy 2-0 whose taking advantage of a guy 0-2 and desperate to make something happen?

    this is clearly not collusion, but a guy who obv desperately needs a rb. no reason to veto this trade, which is why i hate votes as long as you have a legit commish
     

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