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As I sit here w/ my trusty Volcano Vaporizer and the NORML podcast blasting on my Mac, I wonder what my peers, smokers or not, think about Marijuana...I'm assuming the majority of P5ers are between the ages of 18-30 although I know there are a few "old men" on here as well ;-) All opinions / thoughts welcome! I'd be encouraged to see that people in my generation who don't smoke are open minded enough to not care about another person who does. I do know that a lot of poker players enjoy smoking while they play...hell I wish I could smoke a joint @ the Bellagio in that fucking Fontana room! I'd probably play a lot better! (or at least on the patio so I can watch the fountains). Every time I think about pot, tobacco and alcohol, and that pot is illegal and the latter 2 are not it blows my fucking mind. I cannot even begin to describe how much more harmful the 2 legal substances are...not from my opinion but from scientific fact (ex: start making list of people who've died as a result of each). Why are people in the generation that currently runs our country so narrow minded? I hate the negative implications that are always associated w/ smoking (or vaporizing :) pot. The term "pothead" drives me nuts. Dude in the podcast just made a great point: ask any cop if they'd rather have to control a crowd of 500 drunken guys or 500 stoned guys... Sorry I'm off on a tangent but I keep eatin' bananas :-0
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i smoke so i'm obv ok with it, and i agree with all your points, but until the gov can make money off it, it wont be legal
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Before I start, I am a non smoker
It depends 100% on the user. For every college kid or adult who smokes on the weekends or after work to relax there is someone else who gets high instead of going to work, or smokes around their kids.
For these reasons alone I don't think it should be legal. If it were 100% people smoking during poker or on a saturday afternoon with nothing else to do then I would be OK with it.
I have the same feelings towards alcohol. -
It's not my thing
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I used to smoke pot before I joined Air Force. I smoked about as much as I drink now. Since I cant smoke it I do drink more. I do not see anything wrong with it. I know alot of pot smokers who are productive members of society. It is nowhere near comparison of crack I have heard and read numerous stories of crackheads prostituting and robbing/killing people just so they can get a five dollar rock. I have never heard of any one killing someone for a 5 or 10 dollar blunt. Smoke and smoke on is what I say!
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Won't be legal for a long time, imo. I love it obv. Sucks that the country is run by a bunch of traditionalists--hopefully therell be some progress soon.
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I tried like 3 times to get the paragraphs to show up...they were there when I typed it :-) sorry
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i've never seen this topic discussed before. cant wait to read everyone's opinions!!!!
my opinion: keep it illegal
my reason: alcohol can be enjoyed for reasons beyond messing up the mind. ie. i like to drink a beer when i eat pretzels because i think they taste good together. If you're smoking pot, the only outcome is that you become high.
Also, I used to smoke pot all the time in college and i couldnt care less when people i know smoke pot. I do not think look down at anyone for smoking pot, i honestly miss it sometimes.
Also, i do think it is a "gateway drug." Or I at least think that people do NOT start blowin' lines or shootin heroin before they try smoking pot. People who smoke pot are always looking for a better high - whether it be from pot or something else.
I'm very much against drugs - my brother ODed and died in February, not saying that he never would have if he hadnt tried pot, but still . . . that was definitely his first drug.
But sometimes i listen to dispatch or OAR and wish i was back in my dorm room smokin pot with a bunch of idiots again -
Davols- how about putting the responsibility on the person...I'm not advocating smoking and driving or smoking around underage people...those who do that should be punished and punished stiffly. There are 1000s of people who smoke cigarrettes, in cars/ w the windows up and their kids in the car. This is perfectly legal. It is also a fact that tobacco smoke is more dangerous than mari smoke... They may be nuts in Singapore but no one spits in public. If we had stiff penalties for breaking REASONABLE laws people would break them less often...I bet none of you would drink and drive if getting caught once meant you lost your license forever....
Originally Posted by DaVols
Before I start, I am a non smoker
It depends 100% on the user. For every college kid or adult who smokes on the weekends or after work to relax there is someone else who gets high instead of going to work, or smokes around their kids.
For these reasons alone I don't think it should be legal. If it were 100% people smoking during poker or on a saturday afternoon with nothing else to do then I would be OK with it.
I have the same feelings towards alcohol. -
Im pretty sure that there are stiff laws for drug dealing and people still do it
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*puff puff* i have smoked chronic for the last 8 years of my life on a pretty much daily basis. weed is great for recreational use, but i have definately seen in negatively effect friends and family, mainly when they smoke every hour of their waking day, and are too zonked out to want to do anything.
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Very insightful, yjbrewer, thanks and thanks for what you do in the Air Force :-)
Originally Posted by yjbrewer
I used to smoke pot before I joined Air Force. I smoked about as much as I drink now. Since I cant smoke it I do drink more. I do not see anything wrong with it. I know alot of pot smokers who are productive members of society. It is nowhere near comparison of crack I have heard and read numerous stories of crackheads prostituting and robbing/killing people just so they can get a five dollar rock. I have never heard of any one killing someone for a 5 or 10 dollar blunt. Smoke and smoke on is what I say!
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It's a gateway drug in the sense that like you said, people just dont start out w heroin, etc...but that's soooo dependent on the person it's ridiculous.
I know kids who started smoking weed when they were 12 and were onto oxy and heroin by 16. A few of them who i graduated with and hung w sometimes are dead now, and I'm 24.
That said, I've been smoking since i was 17 and I've never had any interest in coke, crack, heroin etc. I'd never touch that stuff, I'm not stupid.
I guess my point is that the kids who wanna do the hardcore shit are gonna do it either way, regardless. If they didn't start out smoking weed, mb they'd start out snorting xanax instead or something. -
lol there are NO stiff laws in this country...do you really think someone should be able to get busted DUI 5 times or more?!?! DUI is soooooo stupid..."hey, lets risk our lives and innocent people's lives instead of taking a $20 cab!" Its very much -EV
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im going to go out on a limb and say that if i didnt smoke weed every day since i was 16 (almost 14 yrs now) id prob be a more productive, happier person.
but i love me some good weed -
what if u drive better high?
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I am with Mikey...I could use the same argument of "weed is a gateway drug" by saying "tobacco is a gateway drug" I wonder how many people who "started smoking weed then moved to heroin" also smoked ciggs...??? The point is that the stuff exists and people do it anyway. Prohibiting it only prohibits the responsible taxation and usage of it while encouraging a black market to develop.
Originally Posted by MikeyRy
It's a gateway drug in the sense that like you said, people just dont start out w heroin, etc...but that's soooo dependent on the person it's ridiculous.
I know kids who started smoking weed when they were 12 and were onto oxy and heroin by 16. A few of them who i graduated with and hung w sometimes are dead now, and I'm 24.
That said, I've been smoking since i was 17 and I've never had any interest in coke, crack, heroin etc. I'd never touch that stuff, I'm not stupid.
I guess my point is that the kids who wanna do the hardcore shit are gonna do it either way, regardless. If they didn't start out smoking weed, mb they'd start out snorting xanax instead or something. -
theres a small percentage of people who are smart enough to really resist drugs....then they just have to find out what all the hype about the weedz is. but when we start out smoking we just know how far we're taking it. for instance i knew id never snort or shoot up any drugs long before i tried the weed cause i knew id get hooked....
thats why i only did teh pot, hash, opium, nitrous, lsd, and ze shrooms -
Yeah, for the first time probably ever, i totally agree w/ Savvy.
Also, don, I'm pretty positive that every single one of the kids i knew who got really hooked on heroin and the rest of the hardcore shit were cigarette smokers.
To relay a sad story, my buddy Chang who i grew up with and who was/is probably the funniest most comically gifted human being i've ever encountered fell in with the "wrong crowd" when we were 16 or so. He made some real d-bag friends even though he was from a rich well to do asian american family, and eventually got super heavy into heroin.
Last summer he fell into a coma and was actually clinically dead for a short period of time. Thankfully he was revived and eventually awoke from the coma, but now he has limited mobility on his entire right side. He walks with a serious limp and his right arm is completely useless. It's a real sick shame, he was a great kid w a lot of potential. -
First off...Fuck You for calling me an old man...hee hee.
I was an everyday smoker from the time i was 17 until i was 25. By that time I had a 2 year old son, was married, and had a family and career to think about so i pretty much quit except for the occasional bowl on the golf course, or at a concert, etc.
Now that im 38 (closing in on 40 rly?? fuck, fuck!!) I still smoke on occasion, and appreciate it more. IMHO there is really no better relaxation therapy other than sex.
It's relatively safe, does not overly impair your decision making abilities, and no hangover that kills your next day.
I would never do it anywhere near my son. In fact him and I have had many talks about drugs, their affects, and the possibility of addiction/jail time etc. I was honest with him in every way about them. I didn't villify weed as a killer because it's not. I did however, explain that herbs can lead to other drugs and since he's such a good athlete and so smart, that any mind-altering substance was def -EV for him.
cliffnotes: weed >>> alcohol but only if you're responsible enuf -
Legalize it imo. No smoking while driving though.
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I don't smoke and never will, but I have no problem with other people doing it.
My only concern is that is can be a pretty expensive habit, and there are a lot of financially-struggling pot smokers... so I mean, you can't really piss and moan about not having any money when you're spending, I dunno, $80/week on marijuana (whatever a heavy smoker spends).
All the risks/benefits aside, the cost of smoking should be enough of a deterrent for most beginners.
(the same can be applied for most addictions, EXCEPT porn. That shit shouldn't cost you a dime this day in age.) -
I like it
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if it was legal everyone would grow their own. it is a weed and easier then shit to grow, errr not that ummm i'd personally know, lol
only reason i would want it to stay illegal is the drug commercials(propaganda) they are fucking hilarious when your high. -
Two big thumbs up for the shrub.
Alcohol is pretty much worse than all other drugs combined imo. -
I haven't smoked in 5-6 years, So I'm a Non Smoker voting for legalization...I see nothing wrong with it. I know highly successful people who smoke it. I think it is less addicting then tobacco. Does not/will not cause as much deaths as alcohol does...
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