just pay the damn ticket and dont speed next time

Take responsibility for your actions and stop looking for excuses. This applies to the ticket, but also to life in general. You will find things a lot simpler when you start doing this.

Im sorry if my post came off as not taking responsibility for my actions. I was asking a legal question. And admitted I was exceeding the speed limit. If my court date came and went and I didn't pay my ticket or show up then that would be me not taking responsibility for my actions.

Someone always wants to be the voice of reason on a fucking forum. Find another thread if you want to parent someone else. But I don't need it. Thanks.

I will seek local legal help in the future. I don't know what I was thinking.

eat a giant dick Spanky

edit: exactly Lameass. I just want it to be noted to the judge and possibly passed on to the Sheriff that they can't do this unless the homeowner specifically asked for it. If the homeowner asks or grant them the permission, then they can sit on the fuckin house if they wanted. But that wasn't the case here. He was trying to beat the heat by sitting under a damned tree in private property. I think it is worth contesting. But i will look at local statutes to make sure before I put on my suit:)

He says he was parked in a legal spot, you say he wasn't. The Judge believes him.

And slow down, its a neighborhood, there are kids, 15 mph saves you 30 seconds, your time isn't that important if you are considering fighting a 15 mph ticket in court.

Lol you should have got tazed.

If you go to court make sure and use that line about "you pay their salaries", they looooove that.

 

Originally Posted by imhooks

All I ask is that the law enforcement officers who's salary is paid by me operate in a lawful manner. Is that too much to ask for these days? The police actually upholding the law.

...you have to see the irony here right?

Yea if you pay a lawyer 4x what the ticket costs you MIGHT make a case of it.

 

Originally Posted by curiousgeorge

just pay the damn ticket and dont speed next time

tldr but 98% sure id say something like this

 

Originally Posted by undertheradar

It is absolutely within your rights to challenge the ticket based off of what you have described. You are correct and they are wrong in their APPROACH. Obviously you shouldn't have been speeding, and as such OT's holier than thou crowd will bastardize you for it. But in this instance, if you do your research and have all the facts and ordinances with you and can show that the officer was in the wrong, you should win. You shouldn't feel great about the win obviously because you were in the wrong, but you still should win. The officers should absolutely know where they can and can't park. If they can't follow the rules and ordinances, then its hypocritical of them to try and enforce anything.

Now a good judge would still make you pay the ticket because you were in the wrong while simultaneously berate the shit out of the officers for being ignorant themselves.

And Willywoo, just because you aren't aware of an ordinance or law, doesn't mean you can ignore it. I would venture to guess that you DO have such a law but you are just unaware of it. It still applies to you and everyone else

ironic screen name is ironic.

 

Originally Posted by Lameass_

are you saying you dont see how its not illegal for him to sit in your driveway/yard without your permission and radar drivers?

or if you own a bulding downtown, a parking lot?

Yes. I didn't even imply that. If the cop is trespassing on person A's property, that has nothing to do with whether or not he can give person B a ticket from sitting on person A's private property.

Where do you guys get the idea that a cop can't shoot a radar from private property?

To undertheradar: I never said or implied that someone can ignore a law just because they don't know it exists. Please post some authority for a cop not being able to legally give a ticket because he radars a person from private property even if the cop is there without permission. I said I am not aware of any such law in my jurisdiction. If you have one or know of such a law I would love to see it.

why he would want to pay higher insurance etc. when he shouldnt have to

if the cop was in a place where he cant legally clock you,you should win. but cant he just say he left the yard and then clocked? really depends on the judge but its your right to fight it

You should always challenge every ticket, regardless of the circumstances. You aren't dodging taking responsibility for your actions by doing so, regardless of guilt. It is your civic duty to challenge the government any time it tries to take your money or freedom, not just bend over because it said so.

It sickens me when people say "just pay the ticket". Especially in cases like this where LE stepped out of line to make it easier for them to cite you. Your local government isn't playing by the rules. Dipshits who just pay up without a peep of resistance are the fuckers responsible for this stuff happening in the first place. If everyone caused a stink every time a LEO stepped out of line to cite or arrest them, LE would do a much, much better job.

For the slow folks: LE is "law enforcement"; the O is for "officer".

 

Originally Posted by Willywoo

Yes. I didn't even imply that. If the cop is trespassing on person A's property, that has nothing to do with whether or not he can give person B a ticket from sitting on person A's private property.

Where do you guys get the idea that a cop can't shoot a radar from private property?

To undertheradar: I never said or implied that someone can ignore a law just because they don't know it exists. Please post some authority for a cop not being able to legally give a ticket because he radars a person from private property even if the cop is there without permission. I said I am not aware of any such law in my jurisdiction. If you have one or know of such a law I would love to see it.

I guess I was assuming that is where you were going with what you said. My apologies if that is not what you meant but it sure felt as if that is what you were trying to say. But where do you get the idea that they CAN shoot from private property? Just because they are the police does not allow them free rein. Again because you are not AWARE that it does not exist doesn't mean it doesn't. You are making an assumption that they can, saying prove me wrong, why don't you show proof that they can shoot radar whenever they choose. I'm not going to go on a fact finding mission for your city to prove myself right. I don't need to. I just know that in your city they could or couldn't shoot from private property and just because you assume they can doesn't mean you are right.

I don't see how his clocking you from private property is relevant. You were in his county when you sped, and the county is this officer's jurisdiction.

I got $100 that says everyone who says "take responsibility" would try to get out of paying a ticket if they had a case. Tickets in Portland start at $250. Got one in Beaverton 5 yrs ago that cost me $421 for going 68 in a 55.

 

Originally Posted by Lameass_

i cant figure out the part where youre not implying that. you jsut said it again. if he doesnt have permission to be on the property its trespassing. i dont see how you can aruge that.
obv the cop can park anywhere public and thats fine. how is it fine if hes trespassing?
your impying that a cop could just hang out anywhere he wants to and target people for whatever crimes they are committing. (you say youre not but i dont see how youre not)

Because he isn't harming the speeder's rights by trespassing on someone else's property. Just as if you go over to your friend's house and hide your murder weapon, and the cops make an illegal search and find it, you have no standing to get the evidence thrown out because it wasn't YOUR rights that were violated.