Originally Posted by Shaaarrrp

I'm sick and tired of the nonsense Ive heard from ACC fans when we discussed this today. It is ridiculous how many ACC fans think our conference is relatively strong compared to everyone but the SEC. I personally think the ACC is atrocious compared to anyone but the Big East. I may be in the minority but taking a road trip to Tuscaloosa, Knoxville, Baton Rouge and quite a few other SEC spots and losing is more fun than driving to Raleigh Durham and trouncing a cupcake in an empty stadium. There would obviously be growing pains but I think it's ridiculous to assume VT in the SEC couldnt build up to a program which could compete and eventually make a run at a NC. If we cant make a run in the SEC, we don't deserve to do so in the ACC. We lose all these huge games because we don't regularly play quality teams so we are always shellshocked.

I never said I didnt want the move to happen.

but anyone who thinks that VT is competing for the SEC title in the first few years in the conference is delusional. Realistically, hokies are a .500 team in the SEC.

 

Originally Posted by TheWacoKidd

the Big 12 just might dissolve. won't argue there. I think it has a solid chance to survive tho

just saying, the ppl that think TCU would be good for the Big 12 put me on instant monkey tilt. they would bring absolutely nothing monetarily for the conference as a whole. and obv this is all about $$$

Short-term $-wise yes, if you're just looking at specific markets, but longer-term, money is generated by having strongly competitive conferences and TCU would be such a school that would add to long-term competitiveness - and to bigger TV contacts. UT has a big enough base that it can operate on it's own and generate money as an independent or whatever it wants, but other schools have to rely on the strength of their conference - like the SEC. The Big 12 won't be able to do that if it contains members like Iowa State and New Mexico, after competitive schools like Nebraska and A&M leave - and the presidents of the universities know it.

So yes, adding a competitive program school like TCU would indeed be important for long-term revenue if the Big 12 was going to be sustainable.

agree to disagree on TCU being a benefit. it's about getting as much tv money as possible, and TCU doesn't boost the Big 12's stock, good football program (finally) for the last 10 years or not.

would be nice if Notre Dame decided to get on board. Notre Dame, BYU, Lousiville would be the dream scenario, IMO. but I think the conference wants 10 teams.

assuming super conferences are inevitable, the Big is likely doomed. I'll be very surprised if it dissolves in the next few years tho.

 

Originally Posted by XXEDPXX

tell me why houston would or wouldnt work.

Houston doesn't even bring the Houston market. it's also not a good academic school. the sports department is pretty small time overall, but had brief moments of success in the past. would be a weak add

in basketball you only make money for your conference to share by playing in NCAA games, (in football it's bowl games obv). you get a good amount for each game, like 500k or so but could be more). so their ability to bring in income in basketball would not diminish in any way, assuming tickets and merchandise stayed steady. but they would get by far more money from their share of the Big 12 football tv contract (roughly like 15M a year). no idea what they make now in BE, but it's significantly less

yes, and basketball money is peanuts compared to football money. a nice final four makes several million dollars, but a BCS bowl makes many times that.

football is king. we saw that when Kansas was going to be one of the schools left out (along with Baylor, Mizzou, Iowa St. and Kansas St.) and Texas Tech being involved in talks (even tho historically they are terrible but since Big 12 in 1996 they have been above average to good and brought in bowl money every season)

we couldn't make more money tho. Baylor is making sooo much money right now with the new tv contract. we are happy to be UT's bitch. it is what it is

Baylor's revenue more than doubled with the new deal, pretty sure we are making in the mid teens in millions per year now

the Longhorn Network is what's causing the most problems. luckily they just ruled against letting them show high school games. that was going to be a big problem

no. we are a budding basketball power, and the football program finally paid up and made bigtime hires. we belong in a BCS conference right now, finally. and the thinking is maybe we would lose Drew if we weren't in a high major conference anymore

 

Originally Posted by kowboy8686

georgia tech returns to the sec in the east.

i just made that up but im sticking with it.

Thats the only team that makes sense.

From the A&M premium Rivals board(I can't vouch for the guy or anything but he seems to be an insider on their board. I know the Mizzou Rivals site has some pretty well connected people who post so it seems plausible that this guy is legit too) Oh and its on their front page http://tamu.rivals.com/default.asp?SR=RivalsFP I assume it links to what's quoted below:

 

"by Tarp at 8/11 5:47 PM

I just got off the phone with someone on campus who I had been trying to talk to over the last few days because he's very well connected. Unlike a lot of things we had heard over the past few days which might have contradicted something else we heard or came from outside the university itself, his stuff comes from the highest levels and it's like God handing Moses the Ten Commandments.

A&M's going to the SEC.

This is what was said:

When the LHN was announced last fall, A&M officials took a long hard look at the economics of the deal and decided that they couldn't compete with Texas unless they did something different. They have been in discussions with SEC officials since that time. The person he talked to said that all future alignment discussions would be based on economics and that A&M was ahead of the curve in this regard.

On August 22, the A&M BOR will make it official. It doesn't matter what the NCAA decided today regarding the LHN or if the Big 12 has any further meetings or whatever penalties are assessed by the Big 12 for A&M leaving the conference.

There's nothing that can be done at this point to stop this. The BOR has determined that A&M's future lies in the SEC and away from Texas and will ratify this officially.

He was told that although Rick Perry will be in Birmingham and South Carolina this weekend, he has nothing to do with it. He was also told that he didn't have anything to do with the events of last summer. The timing of Perry's trip to the south has to do with his announcement that he is running for president which will be made Saturday on the same day that the Iowa straw polls are being done.

I apologize for not having much prior to this but this is the conversation that I waiting to have because there has been no better source on A&M over the years and because this comes directly from the highest levels. Prior to that, I wanted to be cautious but there's no need to be cautious at this point.

It's over."

I just hope for once Mizzou has a plan. We offer the SEC more than most and its where I'd most like to land. But our administration has about the most embarrassing track record lately when it comes to big moves like this. Hopefully for once they'll finally act as if they've learned from their mistakes.

Waco, did you seriously suggest that UNM would be a better addition to the Big 12 than TCU? All the Lobo homers in Crapaquerque surely agree with you, but I can't imagine anyone else would.

I admittedly have an enormous bias against that shithole campus made up of mud huts, hippies and bums, but they have no business in a BCS conference. Any of the former SWC schools would be a much better addition. Shit, even Tulsa or Colorado State would be better choices.

If we do go to the SEC, is there some sort of initiation I need to go through or can can I just start being a Homer?

 

Originally Posted by TheWacoKidd

just be sure to start cheering for and bragging about every win when the SEC plays another BCS school

only SEC homers can do this, obv

 

Originally Posted by BadAllergies

only SEC homers can do this, obv

Obv cause only the SEC beats other BCS schools.

HOMERS GONNA HOMER!

 

Originally Posted by El Burro

I don't agree, but I understand your rationale.

my rationale is based on money. same as the NCAA presidents and everyone else that is making relevant decisions on realignment

if you're looking at it from that standpoint then why not memphis? memphis would be a lot better than new mexico