Haters get owned imo

http://www.9news.com/news/article/24...bow-tattoo-bet

 

Originally Posted by Realbigfish4

How'd this mentality work out for the Dolphins with Ronnie Brown, or the Falcons/Eagles with Vick, etc etc. Defensive players in the NFL are to fast, to aware, and to athletic for these "outside of the box" offensives to work long term.

Still no one taking Thomas over Bowe? Guys a stud... 67% of Teblows completions this week were to him, as well as 68% of Teblows passing yards.

Could Ronnie Brown throw as well as Tebow? And I think the Falcons might have been quite successful with Vick if he'd worked half as hard as Tebow does. And I disagree with you on "outside the box" thinking. The West Coast offense used to be "outside the box". The Shotgun formation was "outside the box". And one could easily argue that having no deep threat and two tight ends in your top three passing options is an offense that uses "outside the box" thinking.

 

Originally Posted by Niceguy

You need to drop the Thomas/Bowe comparisons, he's not a better player.

As for ronnie brown and the wildcat, it averaged 5+ yards per attempt in the last season the Dolphins used it. It was scrapped due to A) Pat White being a bitch and B) Ronnie's constant injuries. The Dolphins ran it, and ran it well. The whole "the wildcat fad has died because defenses caught up" is in reference to other teams who tried to adopt it as an offensive package but failed. Right personnel, right system will always, and has always worked. When one mind tries to copy it simply from an X's and O's standpoint it will fail.

And therein lies the problem (well, one of them) with Tebow running spread option. I just can't see him lasting more than a few years at QB, too much punishment. He's the white version of Vince Young.

 

Originally Posted by Niceguy

You need to drop the Thomas/Bowe comparisons, he's not a better player.

This was Bowe's 5th year in the league...Demaryius Thomas was hurt for all of last year, but this was his 2nd year in the league. I don't think it's absurd to think that Thomas is or will be better than Dwayne Bowe.

After all, he's in the same kind of offense he was stuck in at Georgia Tech...one where he never gets targets because his teams run the ball 80% of the time.

After your superfreak guys like Calvin/Andre Johnson/Fitz, a lot of the WRs in the NFL would be completely interchangeable. If you player swapped Bowe/Thomas, I don't think stat lines would change much.

 

Originally Posted by Dyzalot

Could Ronnie Brown throw as well as Tebow? And I think the Falcons might have been quite successful with Vick if he'd worked half as hard as Tebow does. And I disagree with you on "outside the box" thinking. The West Coast offense used to be "outside the box". The Shotgun formation was "outside the box". And one could easily argue that having no deep threat and two tight ends in your top three passing options is an offense that uses "outside the box" thinking.

The west coast offense was/is a much more logical progression of the game with the rule changes and athletic growth of players. Going back to the option is moronic, teams have seen west coast passing style offenses over and over and yet they continue to succeed. Teams that saw Teblow and the option read twice this year shut it down rather well ... Good luck making the playoffs consistently with a offense that avg'd 19 points with Teblow. His first 3 games against SD, KC, and NE passing 17-40 (43%) 342 yrds 1 TD 0 ints, rushing 174 yrds 3 TDs 1 fumble lost (57 offensive points). His 2nd games against them passing 24-66 (36%) 339 yrds 1 TD 1 int, rushing 97 yrds 0 TDs 2 fumbles lost (29 offensive points). Not a good trend for the Broncos.

Denver's D has to share as much blame for yesterday as Timmy T

Their inability to stop New England changed how they could proceed and allowed New England to alter their defensive approach fairly early in the game Not the first time New England has jumped on somebody like that, God willing, it will be the last though

Denver would've benefited from having Decker healthy but still they were beaten by a better team Not sure there are any second year players, first year starters who would be favored over Brady on the road

 

Originally Posted by SirLiesAlot

Amazing how easy it is for a lot of tebow supporters to share blame for losses but not credit for wins. Not saying slugger or anyone in particular but it really is kinda crazy how that happens.

Same thing other side of the coin. People blame Tebow for the losses and give him no credit for the wins. The guy is just a very polarizing player because of many factors not just his religious beliefs.

I'm pulling for him not because he is religious but because he seems like a great guy with everything he does. Hard not to like a guy who is as nice as a person as he is and has the work ethic he does. That said he needs to make massive improvements with reading defenses, throwing motion (quicker release), and accuracy in order to stick in the NFL. But I think he does and he will be successful.

ttp://www.9news.com/news/article/242787/339/Tebow-has-earned-starting-status-in-2012

Shouldn't really come as a surprise.

 

Originally Posted by Realbigfish4

The west coast offense was/is a much more logical progression of the game with the rule changes and athletic growth of players.

One could make the same statement about the use of the read option. There is finally a QB athletic enough to run it and the rules protecting everyone will protect an option QB today better than any point previously in the NFL.

 

Originally Posted by SirLiesAlot

Amazing how easy it is for a lot of tebow haters to share blame for losses but not credit for wins. Not saying realbigfish or anyone in particular but it really is kinda crazy how that happens. I'm not even saying people aren't giving the credit but it's certainly not at the forefront of tebow haters' opinions. He was a ridiculously entertaining story and fun to watch. I'm not entirely sold on his long term viability as an nfl starting qb, but I know I'll enjoy watching the story unfold.

Hats off to him for a great season and better story. He seems to be one helluva good person.

FYP

 

Originally Posted by Realbigfish4

No it cant... Once the QB tucks the ball and leaves the pocket those rules to protect him are gone. He is extremely athletic, but what good is that when the read option is held to 250 yards and 10 points. You've still failed to explain how Teblow is supposed to last taking all the hits, and you've failed to even acknowledge the fact in just 3 "re-visit" games his play drastically fell off b/c of defensive schemes and play.

What rules are gone? I said "the rules protecting everyone" not "the rules protecting QB's". And he lasts taking hits because he is a fullback. It will be the same way Mike Allstott lasted. And I've always maintained that he may not have near the longevity of a standard QB. I failed to acknowledge nothing. I stated that it will take Tebow learning from Elway and becoming better while the HC and OC work on a more sophisticated offense (they came up with that one during the bye week) to better take advantage of what Tebow does best and hide what he is inferior at. He took a team with an average defense and an over the hill running back and led them to an 8-4 record and a playoff win against a superior team. He may not have done it in a way most can explain but that still doesn't negate the fact that he was a factor in their turnaround.

 

Originally Posted by Dyzalot

What rules are gone? I said "the rules protecting everyone" not "the rules protecting QB's". And he lasts taking hits because he is a fullback. It will be the same way Mike Allstott lasted. And I've always maintained that he may not have near the longevity of a standard QB. I failed to acknowledge nothing. I stated that it will take Tebow learning from Elway and becoming better while the HC and OC work on a more sophisticated offense (they came up with that one during the bye week) to better take advantage of what Tebow does best and hide what he is inferior at. He took a team with an average defense and an over the hill running back and led them to an 8-4 record and a playoff win against a superior team. He may not have done it in a way most can explain but that still doesn't negate the fact that he was a factor in their turnaround.

Bingo... So put him at FB and get a guy under center that can complete better than 47%.

There is nothing sophisticated about the read option. That's why high school teams run it. There's a reason more and more college teams are moving away from it as well.

What Teblow does best is extend plays, nothing like a play book full of back yard plays... So the WRs are gonna run these routes, then just try to get open once Teblow runs around... Then he's gonna do what he's inferior at and throw the ball... Seems like a long term option for sure.

Teblow had little to nothing to do with the D stepping up. Let's look to the huge growth of Von Miller and return of Bailey for that. The change in offense was largely due to him, but other than limiting TOs (not looking at the last 3 games of the year) and controlling the clock there wasnt much in the way of positive change.

 

Originally Posted by FenwayKing

To just cite bad performances in his 2nd outings vs teams is cherry-picking.

I'm just using that as one more example of why he's not a long term option.

He's a hell of show and person, but lacks the innate talent to be a QB. Denver fans are just blinded by truly miracle early success to see that.

 

Originally Posted by PoWdA

ttp://www.9news.com/news/article/242787/339/Tebow-has-earned-starting-status-in-2012

Shouldn't really come as a surprise.

The only thing the article reinforced to me is that Elway is trying to give himself an out. Saying Tebow is the starter going into training camp means essentially nothing. The Broncos could still go out and draft or sign a QB to compete against Tebow for the starting QB job next year. This scenario happens in the NFL quite often. It would seem logical that most FO's want to either win or lose with their own guys. Seeing as that Tebow is from the previous regime, he'll probably be on a shorter leash than most young QB's.

84.5 passer rating = "raping the league" now?

 

Originally Posted by zeppelinzoso16

Newton raped the league this year for a rookie.

But since Tebow is in his 2nd year in the league, Brady was already winning a superbowl at this point. Roethlisberger also raped in his 2nd season, literally and by winning

Tebow is God awful. He went 2/8 one game and got the victory. Goooo Tebow!! If I was a Broncos fan I'd be hoping we found somebody who knows how to throw

You of all people Mr. "world traveler" should be open to the idea that there is "more than one way to skin a cat"...

 

Originally Posted by zeppelinzoso16

Roethlisberger also raped in his 2nd season, literally and by winning

Tebow this year had as good of a season as Big Ben did in his third year.