I just find that no matter the outcome in the ufc i find myself wanting more. Its like a thirst i cant quench

 

Originally Posted by TClermont

You can quote yourself when you say something that goes against conventional wisdom. Backing the favorite, and spouting obvious facts that anyone who has ever read a sherdog article would know, then quoting yourself after the fact just reeks of

if you are trying to call me an attention whore for talking to myself in this thread thats cool. doesnt bother me if you are a refag

aaaaand whamo tampon out of your ass makes its first appearance in weeks heeeey marvin

hahaha lets all laugh together

 

Originally Posted by Geoff Moore

To be fair, both Evans and Mir did the exact opposite of their game plan.

And I don't understand what me starting MMA threads has to do with anything.

The reason being the 2 guys they fought are the juggernauts of their division. It's not that did the opposite of their the game plan, they just fought a much better fighter who forced them to fight their fight. JDS forces you to be 1 dimensional because his tdd is so good and has the best hands in the heavyweight division. Jones is well rounded and can take the fight where he wants it depending on his opponents weakness.

A 100% GSP would tool Diaz to a 50-45 decision. It will be interesting to see how he looks coming off the major injury though.

 

Originally Posted by BigStack Husker

I know usually the ref will stop it if you cant see because of the blood and wont let the guy get his eyes cleaned out by the corner. The doc probably cleaned about as much out as he is allowed to but Im not 100 percent sure.

Ringside doc is allowed to clean as much as he needs to in order to assess the damage. After that, it is up to the fighter to tell the ref/doc if he can or cannot see. No fighter worth a damn is going to say he cannot continue. If you noticed, at the end of the assessment, Silva asked for a bit of an extra wipe around his right eye, and got it. That surprised me, but it did nothing to change the outcome. My opinion was that the doc was going to stop it. When he didn't, I thought the ref looked for the quickest point to stop it himself, and when it came he moved it. It was obvious from the head shaking that Silva was blinded by his own blood.

P.S. I doubt the UFC does this kind of card again anytime soon . . . The entire HW portion could have been wrapped up in an hour, if they didn't bother to fill time in between. Very entertaining night of fights. Disappointed in Brandao, though.

Well, would you pay $60.00 for an hour long PPV? I think the other risk is the potential for injuries to screw up the card, and thus the entire division for a short period of time afterwards.

 

Originally Posted by IBGrindin

if it produced a good buy rate, which i'm sure it did, i guarantee the ufc does this again.

Define good.

 

Originally Posted by lance814

The reason being the 2 guys they fought are the juggernauts of their division. It's not that did the opposite of their the game plan, they just fought a much better fighter who forced them to fight their fight. JDS forces you to be 1 dimensional because his tdd is so good and has the best hands in the heavyweight division. Jones is well rounded and can take the fight where he wants it depending on his opponents weakness.

A 100% GSP would tool Diaz to a 50-45 decision. It will be interesting to see how he looks coming off the major injury though.

I agree that Jones and JDS are the best in their division, Jones is the best in the world imo. JDS is definitely exploitable though. The problem is everyone that JDS has fought has tried one or two td's, didn't get them and then decided to stand and bang. If JDS fought a strong wrestler (or if Cain pulls his head out for the rematch) I think JDS will lose. There is no question that he has freakishly good hands for a HW and I hope that he keeps the belt for a while because of what an awesome guy/fighter he is, I just don't think he's untouchable like many people do.

GSP would not tool Diaz 50-45. I know that I have said this in nearly every MMA thread but Diaz is the best WW in the world. What is his weakness in the ring?

 

Originally Posted by IBGrindin

you watch alot of mma so i figured you'd know better. i'm not the type that falls in love with a game plan someone lays out for beating their opponent, bc the other guy has a game plan to stop that game plan and so on. and as mike tyson (i think) once said, everyone has a game plan until they get punched in the face...

who do you guys see Lesnar fighting when he returns which i think is inevitable considering he was there last night and texting Dana for a 1 on 1 meeting to talk about some things after his press conference.

I think game planning is critically important to a fight. It's kind of like what Lance said above, it's just a matter of who implements their plan better. Game planning is the main reason GSP has been so dominant in his career.

I think Lesnar and Big Country would make sense. Especially because Nelson has been pretty vocal about how Lesnar was basically given the belt, and doesn't really respect Lesnar as an MMA fighter anyway. It would draw huge numbers and I'm sure both of them believe it would be a lock up win for them.

 

Originally Posted by Geoff Moore

I agree that Jones and JDS are the best in their division, Jones is the best in the world imo. JDS is definitely exploitable though. The problem is everyone that JDS has fought has tried one or two td's, didn't get them and then decided to stand and bang. If JDS fought a strong wrestler (or if Cain pulls his head out for the rematch) I think JDS will lose. There is no question that he has freakishly good hands for a HW and I hope that he keeps the belt for a while because of what an awesome guy/fighter he is, I just don't think he's untouchable like many people do.
GSP would not tool Diaz 50-45. I know that I have said this in nearly every MMA thread but Diaz is the best WW in the world. What is his weakness in the ring?



I think game planning is critically important to a fight. It's kind of like what Lance said above, it's just a matter of who implements their plan better. Game planning is the main reason GSP has been so dominant in his career.

I understand you believe Diaz is more well rounded than GSP, but I don't think you would get much debate in saying Mir is more well rounded than JDS. You have to be able to exploit their weakness. Diaz is good everywhere no doubt, but GSP is a smart world class MMA wrestler. He will force Diaz to fight off his back the entire fight depending on if his knee is 100%. Diaz is great off his back, but I don't think he catches GSP and having that weight on your 25 minutes is a big stamina drainer.

 

Originally Posted by lance814

I understand you believe Diaz is more well rounded than GSP, but I don't think you would get much debate in saying Mir is more well rounded than JDS. You have to be able to exploit their weakness. Diaz is good everywhere no doubt, but GSP is a smart world class MMA wrestler. He will force Diaz to fight off his back the entire fight depending on if his knee is 100%. Diaz is great off his back, but I don't think he catches GSP and having that weight on your 25 minutes is a big stamina drainer.

I agree with this and I think Diaz learned a lot from the Condit fight about cutting the ring off, getting the better of exchanges, not taking shots going in just because you can take it, etc. Diaz is a beast off of his back and I think would absolutely make Georges feel uncomfortable. As far as Diaz getting tired from Georges being on top, I sincerely doubt that anyone could make the tri-athelete tired in the ring.

I definitely understand that I am in the minority in this opinion and my track record doesn't help support my claims...

 

Originally Posted by downbylaw11

is this lesnar thing really gonna happen though? he signed a contract with wwe and even though he quit/got fired/suspended/suing wwe or whatever is happening on tv, he's still under contract, and I don't think they would allow him to fight ufc fights unless secretly theyre working on some ridiculous cross pomotional angle which seems unlikely. i feel like dana white is getting played somehow

you can't hustle a hustler....

I am sure that Dana will come out on the right side of the Brock situation or it just won't happen

just came in here to post that UFC sucks massive dick...

carry on.

 

Originally Posted by Milo

LOL at Diaz being superior to GSP . . . you asked where his weaknesses are. Nick Diaz biggest weakness is between his ears. It's one that can never be fixed and it is why he will lose to fighters like GSP and Condit EVERY TIME.

you must not have watched the Diaz/Condit fight because Nick won that fight but lost the decision because of who he is

 

Originally Posted by downbylaw11

is this lesnar thing really gonna happen though? he signed a contract with wwe and even though he quit/got fired/suspended/suing wwe or whatever is happening on tv, he's still under contract, and I don't think they would allow him to fight ufc fights unless secretly theyre working on some ridiculous cross pomotional angle which seems unlikely. i feel like dana white is getting played somehow

It's definitely a work. Brock did a storyline in WWE where he "quit" (they needed to write him off for a few months because his contract only had a limited number of dates in it). This is just to sell the storyline further.

Re-listen to that Dana White interview; nothing he says would lead you to believe this isn't a work. First of all, he contradicted himself a few times (i.e. he was lying/acting). At first he was strongly trying to hint that Brock was coming back, but then said he backtracked by saying he hadn't even spoken to him yet other than to get him tickets. He even said, "For all I know, Brock just wants to hang out." Nothing he said could possibly be referred to as deceptive by UFC fans since he never actually said explicitly that Brock was back in the UFC. It's fairly well known that Dana and Vince McMahon have at least a decent (if not good) business relationship. I think this was just a case where Vince and Brock asked Dana to help them further their storyline in return for some free publicity on WWE TV programs. Simple as this: if they mention this on WWE tomorrow night, it's a work.

And remember Brock didn't leave the UFC for political or money reasons. He left because of health issues. You really think the kidney thing (it was his kidneys right?) is cured all of the sudden?