Hi.

you also live in Connecticut where you are going to elect a senator who lied about his war service... soo....

 

Originally Posted by BirdWings

LOL post this when you have a candidate that can come close to beating Obama in 2012...I'll wait.

I'm being serious and throwing all politics out...who the fuck could beat him in a national election right now? Like him or not he's a political machine who won't lose in any national election any time soon. Sorry but i'll wage any ammount of money on that.

 

Originally Posted by BirdWings

Ahhh yes, lets elect her. Nothing shady about that.

oh yea boo capitalism...

common... seriously there isn't much thats lower than lying about being in war.

whos that?

 

Originally Posted by tekiller

whos that?

Mr. Schuester from Glee.

whatever may happen, i liked the quote i read about how many young people dont understand a one term president. clinton and bush got reelected, no obvious challenger to obama, well jeez, hes a shoe-in for a 2nd term. it'll be 2 decades since bush 1 ended.

a one term president isnt some stunning proposition.

 

Originally Posted by Lord Supremo

One term president sort of is a shocking proposition tho...incumbent presidents are 13-4 since 1900 by my count.

well i appriecate that count, i didnt mean to underscore a reelection, it is and probably should be the common ground. i dont even know, i just dont like the idea that a president has to stay in office/is a political machine.

if obama cakewalks, i think thats worse than a wartime bush, how pathetic in the end. i dont really care if he wins or not, but an easy win is an embarassment to this entire country.

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Originally Posted by resilient

he was soundly defeated by Clinton.

give your boy a lilllllll more credit than that, losing 43-37 when the strongest 3rd party candidacy in the modern era is jacking heaps of your votes isn't so bad.

Agreed that discussion of 2012 based on approval ratings isn't really all that relevant at this point, Reagan's numbers were worse than Obama's at this stage in the game and I heard he did semi-OK in his re-elect.

I do think that there are powerful advantages to being the incumbent president tho, and that smart money is on them unless things are going horrrrrrrrrrribly

 

Originally Posted by userid363

All depends on the economy. If it hasn't rebounded even a little bit, we get a new president. Period.

i agree

Obama can win if he wants to in 2012 if the Republicans take the House and Senate this year. If not, he is gonna have a hard time, no matter what he does.

As posters above have said, Obama's election success in 2012 will be all about what it was about in 2008...the economy. I don't see it bouncing back unless the power in Washington is balanced out. If the Democrats maintain enough control in Congress and Obama can still pass much of his agenda, the economy is gonna get wayyyy worse before it ever gets better. No shot that the current leadership has enough discipline to stop spending.

If the Republicans take both houses this year, you are either gonna see Obama make a Clinton-like dash to the center to get re-elected, or a big fat liberal lame duck for two more years before the Republicans take over full control in 2012...which will likely start the entire shit storm all over again, unless of course we can get a REAL conservative in the WH that will shrink the government in a major way and veto any piece of crap legislation that Republicans are also prone to vote for when they are in power.

 

Originally Posted by cdmalgee

I think Obama takes it in 2012. Luckily, it won't be nearly as bad with a Republican congress.

Ladies and Gentleman, the 2016 Election winner, and 45th President of the United States of America...
PS - I called Obama as (well, I said 2012) POTUS after his speach at the Dem convention in '04

Not after Jerri tells what she has to say.

In before a pack of OT libs led by UD come in defending their hero, Obama and his performance in the healthcare "discussion".

for the love of science bring back hide thread