Getting mixed results from google. I'm also sure it varies state to state but in general does anyone have a clue about this situation:

- We hired a guy about 6 weeks ago who was laid off from his prior job for the past 3-4 months and was collecting unemployment.

- The first week he was with us he had to miss 2 days with an "ear infection". Okay, whatever stuff happens. One week later he is supposed to be in Saturday morning, he doesn't show doesn't call. We get a hold of him and apparently "he wasn't sure he was supposed to work or not" - ummmm maybe should have called? But whatever miscommunication. Next week on Monday he has to take his mom to the hospital - calls in. Tuesday of same week he himself is now sick with what is an asthma attack. Welp at this point we are obviously fed up as we are a small business and everyday have a schedule set assuming he's there. So we have him sign a written warning about attendance and expectations. He assures us of his reliability and how he has had a terrible string of luck and it won't continue. I don't believe a word he says but we are busy and need him. So one week later he calls in with car troubles and can't come in all day. This was last Wednesday - it was supposed to be a half day but since he skipped we all stayed til 4. I say fire him but the boss man says we need him for at least Monday. Comes in Monday and Tuesday. Then yesterday he doesn't show OR call all day. Calls at 4pm and says another asthma attack and he couldn't come in. So we tell him come in this morning and get your tools you're fired.

So to cliff that jumble - in 5-6 weeks he missed 7 days total for 5 different reasons and twice did not even call in. He signed a written warning about attendance and proceeded to miss two days within the next 10 days one without even calling.

So my question is - since he had unemployment then got hired and fired by us - can he go back to the unemployment he was collecting prior to working here? Would that affect his previous company only? I can't imagine it would affect us financially at all seeing as he was only here 5-6 weeks and was fired for attendance issues after signing a written warning. However we just got done paying for the last 1.5 years for someone who in no way deserved unemployment and we lost the appeal so I'm not exactly confident with the unemployment system.

This is how delusional this guy was. He comes in and goes "I knew you probably wouldn't be happy but I can't believe you're firing me for this! I only missed TWO days without calling!". Then he goes, "you want me to be homeless?". WTFFFFFFFFFFF you are on the verge of homelessness and you pass on good paying work.

@#$!#$@#$!@$$

Thanks for reading.

Interesting, I had no idea. How long does the partial unemployment last once you start a new job?

I guarantee you that's what he was doing (that or side jobs) because literally the first week he worked here he was telling me about how he was gonna struggle to make rent, etc. Then he missed all those days and it didn't add up.

In Indiana he would collect from the previous job. You have to be at one place atleast 6 months to collect from that job.

Sadly enough I have had people quit with zero notice and then try and collect unemployment.

 

Originally Posted by R_U_Nuts

In Indiana he would collect from the previous job. You have to be at one place atleast 6 months to collect from that job.

Sadly enough I have had people quit with zero notice and then try and collect unemployment.

We fired a lady for repeatedly coming in late and did everything by the book, we thought. We had her sign warnings with expectations of when she arrives. We had her time cards showing the clock in which was on average 15 minutes late per day. She made personal calls daily. We had her sign a warning about that as well and she continued. She won the appeal and collected for a year and a half. She is a minority which may or may not have an impact on that.

 

Originally Posted by Jaybone2315

Im not sure how it works with starting a new job. But i know there is a part asking if you worked and what not. As long as he didnt tell them he started a new job full time, theres no way they would catch it.

Oh yea, and this. You have to work X amoubt of time/hrs before you can collect. He would collect from the old job, not you.

Gotcha. I figured you had to work a certain amount of time, I will search more for Illinois law. The guy next store thinks its only a month FOL if that's true.

Thanks.

 

Originally Posted by mdshack14

I think you guys need to screen your applicants better.

Lol this too. I feel like this is the 3rd time you made a thread like, "my new employee sucks ass. Help?"

Do you guys pay $10/hr and just attract idiots?

So here's the deal. I hire freelancers for work (who were full time but were laid off by the company that now hires them as freelancers)and they're pretty up front with me.

For simplicity sake, let's say you made 40k a year,which is 800 a week.you get laid off and you now get 400 a week from unemployment. If you have a kid you get another 150bucks. And you can make 200 on the side which would be 10 hours at 20 per hour (on thebooks, not under the table) without it starting to affect your unemployment. So that's 750 bucks a week, only a 50 per week pay cut.

But once you make 400 a week, you get no unemployment benefits. This is why people tell me they canonly work somany hours per week. Why would you ever take a 40 hour per week 10 an hour job???? When you make almost twice as much working 10 or20 hours (depending on pay)

Unemployment be fucked up. But at the end of the day I would do what supports my family the best.if its getting a job I'd do that. If its unemployment I'd do that.

Unemployment compensation laws vary by state. Ask a lawyer in your state. Doesn't your company have a lawyer that you can call with this type of question?

5 minutes, boom, you have your answer.

In ny he can.

we had a similar thing.

we hired a guy 4 months ago. he works for 3 months. missed many days due to "taking mom to hospital" taking dad to hospital, sick. yada yada.

he quits after working 6 weeks.

now we are paying his fuckin unemployment.

 

Originally Posted by cchan

In ny he can.

we had a similar thing.

we hired a guy 4 months ago. he works for 3 months. missed many days due to "taking mom to hospital" taking dad to hospital, sick. yada yada.

he quits after working 6 weeks.

now we are paying his fuckin unemployment.

How do you get unemployment if you quit your job?

That's absolutely fucking ridiculous.

 

Originally Posted by Jaybone2315

Sounds to me like he never stopped collecting. You can collect partial unemployment in NJ, and its basically like unlimited vacation days.

One of my old jobs, i collected partial unemployment, and it basically made me lazy. I didnt call out like this guy, but i always volunteered to be the guy that didnt work because i would collect unemployment for those days.
Its a ridiculous system.

we get it, you have(d) a job

Kev- sounds fucking ridiculous. More ranting next time, if this was someone who works for me they woulda got cussed out and fired real quick. When your the boss I'm sure you'd axe him the second time or at most the third. This guy has to be kidding. Car trouble for a fourth abscence? You work for me you better be dead or have a gang bang party to go to.

Still upset with myself for not collecting it while I could have... Damn morals

 

Originally Posted by ECUgirl

Did you get a reference from his old employer? I bet this isn't new behavior for him.
.

No we didn't. The way we got this guy was through my uncle (yes my dad is the owner Stockage) who knew he was laid off and told us we should definitely call this guy. So we definitely were more than comfortable after bringing him in a few times and seemed like a worker and had good technical skills like I said. So it seemed like a great spot for us, obviously hindsight is always 20-20. I'm thinking his behavior is not new but it was tolerated at the old company somehow because he honestly acted like it was no big deal just not coming or calling and was shocked that we let him go.

 

Originally Posted by Stockage

you got played. how the hell your dad (I think) didn't know that is beyond me. all sorts of mooks do that every june and october in the hvac business in chicago. he was out slamming in units while not at work for you. never, ever, not snap fire a guy for what he did to your business. better check your inventory too. time to account for all unused retail invoices as well.

hope you went into the black :)

here's to a brutally cold winter!!

The weird thing is he kept his tools in the company truck and we didn't let him take it home so everyday he wasn't here we would check the truck and see his tools so there is no way he was doing side work, unless he has duplicate tools which would be an elaborate scheme. We have numbered invoices and track inventory so I'm not too concerned about that. I really don't think he was doing side work I think it was more like Jaybone and Dolphin said about collecting unemployment too and he had to keep his hours down.

And yes here's to a bitter cold winter! We had a record November business-wise so so far so good!

Temp Agency.

/Less head aches...

When a person is hired for a job, and I don't care if its part-time or full-time, their unemployment pay should end. That way people will either make the decision to take the job serious to stay off unemployment or just say fuck it and stay on unemployment and to not bother wasting HR/business owners time. Getting a pay check and unemployment money is bullshit.

Its people like the person the OP described and Jaybone who abuse the system because they know they have something to fall back on so they have the attitude, "well if I get fired, fuck it, I'm still on unemployment". That's another thing, if you get fired your unemployment should end as well.