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The United States is not very good at socialism

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  1. Willywoo Willywoo is offline

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    Sep 1st, 2011 (9/1/2011 9:52pm)

    Three players in the new and often touted green energy industry have filed bankruptcy recently, even after receiving big chunks of government aid and subsidies. The reasons given for their failure? They cannot compete with the Chinese. Chinese solar companies get way more support from the government that their US counterpart making competition too difficult, says them.

    Solyndra, LLC

    Evergreen Solar

    SpectraWatt, Inc

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...77U5K420110901

    http://news.cnet.com/8301-11128_3-20...or-bankruptcy/

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2768426/posts
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    Sep 1st, 2011 (9/1/2011 9:58pm) in reply to Willywoo

    It probably doesn't help that the recent budget cuts eliminated the solar subsidies that provided 30% through Federal assistance.
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    Sep 1st, 2011 (9/1/2011 10:05pm) in reply to rocco20v

    not to mention the Chinese pretty much have no environmental/labor regulations whatsoever
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    Sep 1st, 2011 (9/1/2011 10:07pm) in reply to Willywoo

    We are getting there, because when done right socialism works.
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    Sep 1st, 2011 (9/1/2011 10:09pm) in reply to jay_bear

     
    Originally Posted by jay_bear View Post

    We are getting there, because when done right socialism works.


    Example?
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    Sep 1st, 2011 (9/1/2011 10:10pm) in reply to Pker4Dummies

    I think Australia, Germany Italy, Spain and Bulgaria all cut solar subsidies. I'm not aware of any cuts we (the US) have made.

    Like I said tho, we are not very good at socialism. We give away billions in subsidies and the companies fail almost immediately. wtf?

    Apparently Glo4m is smart enough to know that we can't compete with the Chinese, why isn't our government as smart as Glo4m?
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    Sep 1st, 2011 (9/1/2011 10:15pm) in reply to Willywoo

    Never in my life did I think Chinese, Solar and Companies would every be part of the same sentence.
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    Sep 1st, 2011 (9/1/2011 10:16pm) in reply to Z-Fresh

    Can someone tell me how to get a grant for $20-$100 million, then pay myself $1million a year for 5-6years, go bankrupt, and owe nobody? i would like to know.
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    Sep 1st, 2011 (9/1/2011 10:26pm) in reply to Moonlight Graham

     
    Originally Posted by Moonlight Graham View Post

    Can someone tell me how to get a grant for $20-$100 million, then pay myself $1million a year for 5-6years, go bankrupt, and owe nobody? i would like to know.

    Fenway king said in another post, it's not about making or creating something, it's about gaming the system and getting the money. Easy game if that's how you want to play it. Sounds like you are starting to figure it out. I bet the Chinese don't let them get away with that shit. Like I said, we're deficient at this socialism business.
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    Sep 1st, 2011 (9/1/2011 11:00pm) in reply to Willywoo

    If only the gov gave them more money. And us more money to buy the products. Where's that gd multiplier effect when we need it? We could all be rich if we just spent more
    Edited By: norcaljeff Sep 1st, 2011 at 11:01 PM
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    Sep 1st, 2011 (9/1/2011 11:21pm) in reply to Pker4Dummies

     
    Originally Posted by Pker4Dummies View Post

    Example?

    Sweden
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    Sep 1st, 2011 (9/1/2011 11:28pm) in reply to jay_bear

     
    Originally Posted by jay_bear View Post

    We are getting there, because when done right socialism works.

    Level. Right?
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    Sep 1st, 2011 (9/1/2011 11:32pm) in reply to Willywoo

     
    Originally Posted by Willywoo View Post

    Fenway king said in another post, it's not about making or creating something, it's about gaming the system and getting the money. Easy game if that's how you want to play it. Sounds like you are starting to figure it out. I bet the Chinese don't let them get away with that shit. Like I said, we're deficient at this socialism business.

    Pretty sure your point here and itt is that we should turn our sights not on making gov't smaller, but on making it more efficient. I agree
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    Sep 1st, 2011 (9/1/2011 11:35pm) in reply to TMLMS13

     
    Originally Posted by TMLMS13 View Post

    Sweden


    IKEA and Ericsson disagree.
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    Sep 1st, 2011 (9/1/2011 11:36pm) in reply to userid363

    A smaller gov would be more efficient, a more efficient gov wouls be smaller. Tho
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    Sep 1st, 2011 (9/1/2011 11:43pm) in reply to TiltinShoes

    Yeah, I'm sure that's what the Rs were thinking when they refused to accept closing tax loopholes
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    Sep 1st, 2011 (9/1/2011 11:49pm) in reply to Pker4Dummies

     
    Originally Posted by Pker4Dummies View Post

    IKEA and Ericsson disagree.

    people who live in Sweden disagree (with you)
    Edited By: TMLMS13 Sep 1st, 2011 at 11:49 PM
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    Sep 1st, 2011 (9/1/2011 11:59pm) in reply to TMLMS13

    The Economist Intelligence Unit, and the Index for Economic Freedom disagree with you.

    Plus pretty sure private companies cannot incorporate under Socialism.
    Edited By: Pker4Dummies Sep 2nd, 2011 at 12:06 AM
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    Sep 2nd, 2011 (9/2/2011 12:01am) in reply to userid363

     
    Originally Posted by userid363 View Post

    Yeah, I'm sure that's what the Rs were thinking when they refused to accept closing tax loopholes


    This was in response to me?
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    Sep 2nd, 2011 (9/2/2011 12:03am) in reply to TMLMS13

     
    Originally Posted by TMLMS13 View Post

    Sweden

    Since when does Sweden have a socialist economy?
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    Sep 2nd, 2011 (9/2/2011 12:04am) in reply to Glo4m

     
    Originally Posted by Glo4m View Post

    not to mention the Chinese pretty much have no environmental/labor regulations whatsoever

    just like slavery in the US.

     
    Originally Posted by Dyzalot View Post

    Since when does Sweden have a socialist economy?

    serious? I guess it depends how you define socialist.

    Fair enough, call it social democratic, however imo socialism doesnt have to have a authoritarian regime
    Edited By: TMLMS13 Sep 2nd, 2011 at 12:08 AM
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    Sep 2nd, 2011 (9/2/2011 12:07am) in reply to TMLMS13

    how exactly is taking money from the public and giving it to private corporations socialism?
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    Sep 2nd, 2011 (9/2/2011 12:07am) in reply to TMLMS13

     

    serious?

    Yes. Last I checked it is a mixed economy that has actually had its markets become more free and less socialistic over the last twenty years.

     
    Originally Posted by Neeek View Post

    how exactly is taking money from the public and giving it to private corporations socialism?

    It isn't. That's fascism.
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    Sep 2nd, 2011 (9/2/2011 12:10am) in reply to Dyzalot

    I though this was gonna be about the 31-60 BILLION that has disappeared in Iraq to Military Contractors with nothing to show.....Guess not, that socialism is Military related....

    http://articles.cnn.com/2011-08-31/p..._s=PM:POLITICS
    Edited By: SILKY JOHNSON Sep 2nd, 2011 at 12:13 AM
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    Sep 2nd, 2011 (9/2/2011 12:10am) in reply to Dyzalot

     
    Originally Posted by Dyzalot View Post

    It isn't. That's fascism.

    but it seems bad, so it MUST be socialism!
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    Sep 2nd, 2011 (9/2/2011 12:11am) in reply to Dyzalot

     
    Originally Posted by Dyzalot View Post

    Since when does Sweden have a socialist economy?

    You have to admit to a little hypocrisy in defending Sweden as non-Socialist while calling the USA Socialist, no?
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    Sep 2nd, 2011 (9/2/2011 12:11am) in reply to Dyzalot

     
    Originally Posted by Dyzalot View Post

    Yes. Last I checked it is a mixed economy that has actually had its markets become more free and less socialistic over the last twenty years.

    still compared to the US it is pretty much socialism
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    Sep 2nd, 2011 (9/2/2011 12:12am) in reply to userid363

     
    Originally Posted by userid363 View Post

    You have to admit to a little hypocrisy in defending Sweden as non-Socialist while calling the USA Socialist, no?

    Since when did I call the USA socialist?
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    Sep 2nd, 2011 (9/2/2011 12:12am) in reply to TiltinShoes

     
    Originally Posted by TiltinShoes View Post

    This was in response to me?

    @ ncj. sorry

     
    Originally Posted by Dyzalot View Post

    Since when did I call the USA socialist?

    Most recently in thread title

    oops. just looked at who made thread
    Edited By: userid363 Sep 2nd, 2011 at 12:14 AM
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    Sep 2nd, 2011 (9/2/2011 12:13am) in reply to TMLMS13

     
    Originally Posted by TMLMS13 View Post

    still compared to the US it is pretty much socialism


    lololololol

    Translation : I have no idea what Im talking about and have no evidence to back up my retarded claims.
    Edited By: Pker4Dummies Sep 2nd, 2011 at 12:14 AM
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