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  1. rocksockyea rocksockyea is offline

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    Feb 25th, 2009 (2/25/2009 4:11pm)

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/02/25/AR2009022502587.html?hpid=topnews
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    President Obama intends to release a budget tomorrow that creates a 10-year, $634 billion "reserve fund" to partially pay for a vast expansion of the U.S. health care system, an overhaul that many experts project will cost as much as $1 trillion over the next decade.

    Obama would pay for the expansion by trimming tax breaks for the wealthy and tightening payments to insurers, hospitals and physicians, according to a senior administration official.

    </blockquote>
    Way to go Obama! Now we just gotta make sure this gets pushed through congress and has a clear goal of turning our system into a single-payer one as soon as possible.
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    Feb 25th, 2009 (2/25/2009 4:13pm) in reply to rocksockyea

    gg best healthcare in the world
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    Feb 25th, 2009 (2/25/2009 4:19pm) in reply to norcaljeff

    hospitals which focus on money and collecting bills > hospitals who only focus on helping the sick or injured?

    gg logic.
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    Feb 25th, 2009 (2/25/2009 4:24pm) in reply to norcaljeff

     
    Originally Posted by norcaljeff View Post

    gg best healthcare in the world

    i got this ud...

    dooooooooooooooooooooooooooommmmmeeeeddddddd
  5. norcaljeff norcaljeff is offline 2010 OT Thread Kill Leader

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    Feb 25th, 2009 (2/25/2009 4:32pm) in reply to Ozzie

    "helping people" is the best motivator? gg logic indeed. maybe if we make medical school "free" then doctors won't have loans to pay off, and everyone can work for the poor, hooray! and everyone knows the best medical technology is developed by humanitarians. err
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    Feb 25th, 2009 (2/25/2009 4:33pm) in reply to The Precedent

    lol.
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    Feb 25th, 2009 (2/25/2009 4:34pm) in reply to The Precedent

    God please no. I sure hope not.
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    Feb 25th, 2009 (2/25/2009 4:35pm) in reply to rocksockyea

    What is this administration going to bailout next month when everyone is already bailed out?
  9. Underdog Underdog is offline MVP of OT (self-proclaimed)

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    Feb 25th, 2009 (2/25/2009 4:38pm) in reply to norcaljeff

     
    Originally Posted by norcaljeff View Post

    gg best healthcare in the world

    Something happened to France?

    (The US is ranked 37th, n00b.)
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    Feb 25th, 2009 (2/25/2009 4:39pm) in reply to rocksockyea

    put me on the list for every procedure then. hate to be like those poor bastages in the UK and Canada that die while waiting for their procedures. Oh and btw, the best doctors will move their practices to the Bahamas and so called filthy rich will still be able to get better care. Maybe Obama can ban foreign travel to prevent that as well. We can HOPE!
    Try an experiment tonight at 5pm. Go to the post office to mail a package and then try the UPS store. One trip will cost you an hour and the other will cost you five minutes. The price for the UPS store will be $1 higher but will save you an hour. How unfair! We should def run the UPS store out of business.
  11. Mr Galt Mr Galt is offline sister-in-law's a ho

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    Feb 25th, 2009 (2/25/2009 4:41pm) in reply to Underdog

     
    Originally Posted by Underdog34 View Post

     
    Originally Posted by norcaljeff View Post

    gg best healthcare in the world

    Something happened to France?

    (The US is ranked 37th, n00b.)

    and the ranking is from...

    I'm sure it's an unbiased, non-lefty controlled governmental organization. lolzzzzzzz
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    Feb 25th, 2009 (2/25/2009 4:41pm) in reply to norcaljeff

     
    Originally Posted by norcaljeff View Post

    gg most expensive healthcare in the world by like 40%

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    Feb 25th, 2009 (2/25/2009 4:46pm) in reply to Underdog

    the WHO is a commie organiztion hellbent on the destruction of america by demoralization through rankings, but at least we're ahead of slovenia... got a ways to go to catch saudi arabia, though(which has nationalized health care).
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    Feb 25th, 2009 (2/25/2009 4:47pm) in reply to rocksockyea

    If government control of the health care industry is ideal then why not for other basic needs such as food, clothing and shelter?
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    Feb 25th, 2009 (2/25/2009 4:47pm) in reply to Ozzie

    so you would prefer to be treated in saudi arabia than the in the us, right?
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    Feb 25th, 2009 (2/25/2009 4:49pm) in reply to norcaljeff

    depends on how much money/insurance I have, and how tough to treat the condition is.
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    Feb 25th, 2009 (2/25/2009 4:49pm) in reply to Neeek

    just wondering out loud, will the government also carry the malpractice insurance that has driven up the costs or will they just not allow malpractice suits? interested in how this will play out. Maybe our lawyers will stop taking these suits and people will stop frivolous suits, yeah, that's probably what will happen.
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    Feb 25th, 2009 (2/25/2009 4:51pm) in reply to Dyzalot

     
    Originally Posted by Dyzalot View Post

    If government control of defense is ideal then why not for other basic needs such as food, clothing and shelter?

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    Feb 25th, 2009 (2/25/2009 4:52pm) in reply to Dyzalot

     
    Originally Posted by Dyzalot View Post


    If government control of the health care industry is ideal then why not for other basic needs such as food, clothing and shelter?

    that would moving all the way towards socialism, which would not happen here any time soon because of the negative stigma attached to it.

    but some things here are socialized(schools, police/fire, libraries) and work out quite well. i believe health care is next and would like to see insurance follow.

    also, thank you for entering a real and thoughtful discussion.
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    Feb 25th, 2009 (2/25/2009 4:53pm) in reply to norcaljeff

     
    Originally Posted by norcaljeff View Post

    "helping people" is the best motivator? gg logic indeed. maybe if we make medical school "free" then doctors won't have loans to pay off, and everyone can work for the poor, hooray! and everyone knows the best medical technology is developed by humanitarians. err

    http://www.windsorstar.com/Health/trained+doctors+making+Windsor+home/1038930/story.html
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    Feb 25th, 2009 (2/25/2009 4:54pm) in reply to rocksockyea

    Yup.
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    Feb 25th, 2009 (2/25/2009 4:56pm) in reply to Ozzie

    Just thinking outloud here....can you imagine the amount of savings a company would have if not paying for healthcare? got to be a trade off somewhere there... we do have universal education that works fairly well! seems like it could be done, and if you can afford it you can pay for private doc's just like priveate education!!
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    Feb 25th, 2009 (2/25/2009 4:58pm) in reply to ripomatic

     
    Originally Posted by ripomatic View Post

    Just thinking outloud here....can you imagine the amount of savings a company would have if not paying for healthcare? got to be a trade off somewhere there... we do have universal education that works fairly well! seems like it could be done, and if you can afford it you can pay for private doc's just like priveate education!!

    well that's where i got confused, i didn't realize we weren't going to have to pay for it. I forgot about the insurance fairy.
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    Feb 25th, 2009 (2/25/2009 4:59pm) in reply to ginwilly

    Anyone know exactly how this would work?
     
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    Feb 25th, 2009 (2/25/2009 4:59pm) in reply to Ozzie

     
    Originally Posted by Ozzie View Post

    that would moving all the way towards socialism, which would not happen here any time soon because of the negative stigma attached to it.

    Not what I asked.

     
    Originally Posted by Ozzie View Post

    but some things here are socialized(schools, police/fire, libraries) and work out quite well.

    None of those are funded primarily at the federal level and our schools have been going downhill ever since the DoE was created.
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    Feb 25th, 2009 (2/25/2009 5:00pm) in reply to ripomatic

    wat? where do you think the gov't will get the money to pay for the hospitals, docs, nurses, band-aids. the bureaucrats won't be working second jobs at 7-11, then will be collecting it in the form of higher taxes on businesses and individuals. The only differnce will be your accountant and tax attorney will make a larger share. Who did the ABA support for Pres again???
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    Feb 25th, 2009 (2/25/2009 5:09pm) in reply to Mr Galt

    No, Mr. Galt, don't be talking crazy now!!! That health insurance will be free!!!! Free I tell ya!
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    Feb 25th, 2009 (2/25/2009 5:09pm) in reply to Mr Galt

     
    Originally Posted by Mr Galt View Post

    wat? where do you think the gov't will get the money to pay for the hospitals, docs, nurses, band-aids.

    wow, dude seriously? theyll prolly just tax employers. maybe even take some out of your paycheck... which sucks, i know, since you already have money taken out for your health insurance.

    oh, wait. thats prolly exactly what theyll use.

    only youll be paying for just health care... not health care + insurance/pharmaceutical company's profit. and you dont have to worry about deductibles and copays and prior-existing conditions not being covered or fuck, actually this kind of transplant is just too damn expensive and your coverage doesnt qualify. best of luck, though.
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    Feb 25th, 2009 (2/25/2009 5:17pm) in reply to Neeek

     
    Originally Posted by Neeek View Post

     
    Originally Posted by Dyzalot View Post

    If government control of defense is ideal then why not for other basic needs such as food, clothing and shelter?

    We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
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    Feb 25th, 2009 (2/25/2009 5:18pm) in reply to Ozzie

     
    Originally Posted by Ozzie View Post

     
    Originally Posted by Mr Galt View Post

    wat? where do you think the gov't will get the money to pay for the hospitals, docs, nurses, band-aids.

    wow, dude seriously? theyll prolly just tax employers. maybe even take some out of your paycheck... which sucks, i know, since you already have money taken out for your health insurance.

    oh, wait. thats prolly exactly what theyll use.

    only youll be paying for just health care... not health care + insurance/pharmaceutical company's profit. and you dont have to worry about deductibles and copays and prior-existing conditions not being covered or fuck, actually this kind of transplant is just too damn expensive and your coverage doesnt qualify. best of luck, though.

    only youll be paying for health care + government bureaucracy

    insurance companies got the hold they have on america today because of government and to act like the system we have is the natural result of a free market is preposterous

    why is healthcare the only field where you use "insurance" for normal check-ups?
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