Originally Posted by zeppelinzoso16

No, it is not terrorism, it is an assassination by a state.

I had a few beers, I forgot to include a key part of the definition. Not only is terrorism from a sub national group (which Israel is not) against non combatants for political gain, but it is done to inspire fear in a people.

And you don't think Iranian scientists are afraid? And where did you come up with this artificial definition that requires a "sub national group". Terrorism is a tactic. Any group or individual can use the tactic.

 

Originally Posted by ParanoidAndroid

I don't believe there is an academic or legal consensus in defining the word terrorism.

Yes there is. Terrorism = an act designed to spread terror. The damn definition is in the word itself.

 

Originally Posted by Z-Fresh

Nice post you stupid cunt. Way to show support for your claim. How am I a "sheeple?" (I can't believe I just retyped that idiotic word.) Is it because I firmly believe the current Iranian government is dead set on doing what they can to wipe Israel off the map? Is it because I support strategic strikes rather than dropping bombs and all out war? Obviously, the Israeli government and military is reading the same conspiracy theory websites as I am because they just sent assassins to kill a nuclear scientist! You mean they read the wrong article too??? Oh man, egg on their face. Oh well.

Rather than ever posting again, turning on your computer or taking part in society as a whole do the whole fucking world a favor and sit and on a huge elephant dick while repetitively stabbing yourself in in the eye with a large needle laced with Jew dung until your good and dead you bottom feeder fucktard.

In before You Mad bro jpg or gif. I'm not mad...I'm hopped up on Jameson.

sowhere is your proof Iran has a nuulear bomb or building one? what are your resources? Are your resources the same ones that told you there were WMDX in Iraq ??? PLEASE TELL ME YOU WARMONGERING SHEEPLE

The idiocy in this thread is truly mind-numbing. Yikes

 

Originally Posted by Neeek

what the fuck are you talking about? we're talking about the Irans in here.
I dont know what persia means, but i'm gonna take it as disrespect.

Pretty sure you're fucking with us, but Iranians, especially American Iranians prefer to call themselves Persians, to differentiate themselves from the current regime that uses the term Iran. Persia was the area that is currently Iran.

My ex and her family were pretty cool and so were most of the other Persians I met.

The problem is you have two governments there(Israel and Iran) with a huge hard-on for religious righteousness, domination and war.

To me there is a difference in the US dropping two nukes on Japan, and your definition of terrorism. US dropped those bombs to end war (yes it was to show military might and bring fear) instead of island hoping all the way to Tokyo. In doing so it took countless of civilian lives, but save countless US military and ended the war.

Iran is in the top 5 countries I would like to visit. Among travelers they have a reputation for being maybe the most welcoming and hospitable people on this planet. I have been to Armenia which was absolutely incredible in this regard, the best of any country I've been to date. Armenia is a Christian country but I would guess there is a lot of overlap.

That said, I think some people are severely under estimating the passionate hatred for Israel in Muslim countries. All of these countries use anti-Israel propaganda to create an outside threat in order to take the attention off their oppression within. They are force fed this shit from birth every single day. Even in Indonesia I've heard long anti Israel rants from people who do not know the first thing about the region and I honestly doubt could even find Israel on a map. Though I love Indonesia and they are great people. I've been to Israel 2x, Egypt 2x, Jordan, West Bank, Turkey, Indonesia, Malaysia, and Kashmir. The anti Israel sentiment is very strong in every one of them. I'd be shocked if it is not strong in Iran as well.

You shouldn't come to any conclusions on the common perceptions of any country based on people living in America. It is generally far from an accurate representation of the pulse of their home country. They are usually very distanced from the happenings where they came from whether it be the simple fact that they do not live there or coming from an upper middle class well educated family and having different views than most people etc. You are going to find much more hatred of Arabs in Israel than you are from LA Jews. Doesn't mean you wont find a Jew in Israel who has no problems with Arabs or a Jew in the US who hates them, but the two are not really comparable. People in the US are detached from living under these regimes and from every day life in this part of the world including media. Also, just because somebody is a really friendly person and great to have a beer with doesn't mean they don't hold a strong negative view or even passionate hatred of a country their homeland/ancestry is at conflict with

 

Originally Posted by saxman

i deal with a company up here who's owner refers to himself as Persian - i think you're right that they are proud of their heritage but they like to differentiate themselves from modern day Iran.

I don't know any Americans that call themselves Iranian, everybody is Persian

 

Originally Posted by zeppelinzoso16

Iran is in the top 5 countries I would like to visit. Among travelers they have a reputation for being maybe the most welcoming and hospitable people on this planet. I have been to Armenia which was absolutely incredible in this regard, the best of any country I've been to date. Armenia is a Christian country but I would guess there is a lot of overlap.

The food is pretty amazing, although they do kinda force feed you at times, but it's good food so can't really complain. The Persian girls are generally hot too, which is a good thing, and the ones that are less hot at least dress nicely so they look better.

You're right about the indoctrination part. I know at the schools they make the students shout stuff like death to Israel and death to America, but it seems to me that the average Persian is much more open to Western culture than the average middle eastern. True, I've never actually been to Iran, but even the Persians that I've met that have just come from Iran were still pretty open minded, much more so that you'd expect if you just make your impressions based on media coverage here in the US

one man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter - PM Oliver North

 

Originally Posted by saxman

one man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter - PM Oliver North

Believe I was one of the first to use that line in ot.

 

Originally Posted by Z-Fresh

More of a bitch move would be to let the scientists live, create a nuclear bomb and drop it on them without doing anything about it.

When I think of terrorism I think of innocent people getting killed not people directly involved in a plot to destroy an entire civilization. Strategic assassination does not equal terrorism.

uneducated reply from a sheep

 

Originally Posted by Dyzalot

It was done to spread terror among the people to get them to remove their emperor from power. It was done for political change. That is terrorism. Especially since we were not bombing military or strategic targets. We purposefully targetted civilians.

What? Estimates on a US invasion of Japanese mainland was 100,000+ for the US military and an estimate of close to a million for Japanese civilians/military. Hirohito was not removed and I am not sure what political change you speak of. We bombed the cities of no significance because we didn't want to cause complete destruction of Japan, but just to urge them to surrender. Hiroshima and Nagasaki where the size of Toledo, OH and Chattanooga, TN. Not Atlanta, not NYC, not LA, not Miami.. ect.

Its all good. We provide funds to Hamas, which is on our terror list.

 

Originally Posted by Lord Supremo

OK, but your definition includes all war as terrorism. What war doesn't involve violence for a political end? That's like the definition of war. And I mean...that's fine if you want to make the point that conventional war and terrorism have a lot in common, but a definition that broad renders the word meaningless.

I don't think it is terrorism if a military defends against another invading military. Once you start using assassinations, preemptive strikes, bombing cities... those are terrorist tactics.

 

Originally Posted by XBassX

What? Estimates on a US invasion of Japanese mainland was 100,000+ for the US military and an estimate of close to a million for Japanese civilians/military. Hirohito was not removed and I am not sure what political change you speak of. We bombed the cities of no significance because we didn't want to cause complete destruction of Japan, but just to urge them to surrender. Hiroshima and Nagasaki where the size of Toledo, OH and Chattanooga, TN. Not Atlanta, not NYC, not LA, not Miami.. ect.

Pretty sure we were trying to pressure them into forcing their emperor to resign and we settled for less. Either way the bombing was used to spread terror and horror through the Japanese people in order to affect political change by weakening the public support to continue the war.

Where is NCJ? He banned?