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  1. Serious question....I realize most of the links that can be found on this subject are biased towards legalizing hemp in the US and investing heavily in an infrastructure to harvest at a ridiculous rate. Even so, I wonder how many of their claims are true and if so, why don't they get more attention?

    Biomass is the term to describe all biologically produced matter. World production of biomass is estimated at 146 billion metric tons per year, mostly as wild plant growth. Biomass conversion to fuel has proven economically feasible in laboratory tests and continuous operation of pilot plants since 1973. It has a heating value of 5000-8000 BTU/lb, with virtually no ash or sulfur produced by combustion.
    About 6% of contiguous U.S. land area cultivated for biomass could supply all our current demand for oil and gas. This is the basis of the emerging concept of "energy farming," wherein farmers grow and harvest crops for biomass conversion to fuels.There is one farm crop that can fill all our energy needs. Hemp is the only biomass resource capable of making America energy independent.

     
  2. I'm just gonna say yeah without knowing dick about this subject because weed is awesome.
  3.  
    Originally Posted by XquiziVex View Post

    I'm just gonna say yeah without knowing dick about this subject because weed is awesome.

    Pretty much this.
  4. I completely agree with the first 2 posters.
  5. It's unanimous then
  6. Hemp will solve all of our problems.
  7. I'm with the OP and genuinely interested in the feasibility of it.
  8. Whether it is or isn't the answer, let the free market and those who wish to experiment and innovate with it decide.
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  9.  
    Originally Posted by XquiziVex View Post

    I'm just gonna say yeah without knowing dick about this subject because weed is awesome.

    One of the best first responses to a thread ever.
  10. Algae

    Tides

    Solar
  11.  
    Originally Posted by userid363 View Post

    Solar

    My friend just came back from a 2 week 3300 mile solar powered car race in South Africa. Japan took #1 and #2. Technology is here but nobody wants to use it or invest in that direction. Had a long conversation on it last weekend but I was drunk as hell at the time, was like 4am. In his day job he works for NASA or maybe use to, not sure exactly but he is an engineer, very intelligent. Isn't converting energy from the sun the most logical place by a longshot. Better to use a resource that can be controlled I guess
    Edited By: Zeppelin Oct 23rd, 2012 at 06:31 AM
  12. Yeah, no one wants to use it.
  13.  
    Originally Posted by norcaljeff View Post

    Yeah, no one wants to use it.

    He knows a lot about it, I don't, he isn't here to post. Before last weekend I didnt know solar powered cars that could go 3,000 miles in a 2 week race existed. He has been at this race several years in a row and understands the technology behind it. He isn't a photographer or something, he is on the science side. What he said is that it is similar to electric in that people are not willing to make sacrifices in their daily life to the limits that they can drive with current technology. Plus, it is currently very expensive. To say the technology is here for the everyday consumer is a stretch I think but the technology to power cars using the sun is here. There is not enough money being invested into the R&D as there should be since it should be our future. A lot of our conversation was centered around the high demands of consumers in general. People like the idea that they can drive a car 48 hours straight and stop at a gas station along the way even if they will never drive across the country and an electric or solar car can meet their needs. So yeah, people don't want to use it it because it doesn't meet their demands and is too expensive. 2 things that can be fixed

    These cars from the race are crazy looking, just googled it. They are specifically designed for the purpose of this race and completing the stages required
    http://www.sasolarchallenge.co.za/



    Edited By: Zeppelin Oct 23rd, 2012 at 07:06 AM
  14. Where does mom put the groceries? And tyler's lax stick?


    Im pro-r&d fwiw
  15.  
    Originally Posted by zeppelinzoso16 View Post

    He knows a lot about it, I don't, he isn't here to post. Before last weekend I didnt know solar powered cars that could go 3,000 miles in a 2 week race existed. He has been at this race several years in a row and understands the technology behind it. He isn't a photographer or something, he is on the science side. What he said is that it is similar to electric in that people are not willing to make sacrifices in their daily life to the limits that they can drive with current technology. Plus, it is currently very expensive. To say the technology is here for the everyday consumer is a stretch I think but the technology to power cars using the sun is here. There is not enough money being invested into the R&D as there should be since it should be our future. A lot of our conversation was centered around the high demands of consumers in general. People like the idea that they can drive a car 48 hours straight and stop at a gas station along the way even if they will never drive across the country and an electric or solar car can meet their needs. So yeah, people don't want to use it it because it doesn't meet their demands and is too expensive. 2 things that can be fixed

    These cars from the race are crazy looking, just googled it. They are specifically designed for the purpose of this race and completing the stages required
    http://www.sasolarchallenge.co.za/



    Does this thing run on hemp oil? If not, another master Zep derail.
  16. hemp would solve a ton of issues with alternative energy being a big one.

    it still baffles me that hemp is illegal to grow in this country.

    I mean, is anyone anti-hemp these days?
  17. I'm all for research to make renewable energy more beneficial. Actually, Tesla supposedly was on the right track with " free energy ". It's unfortunate we as a human race can't use our free will to broaden our horizons without being chastised. The following video is pretty interesting.

  18. Biomass is more viable than solar, but there isn't a reason to grow new crops for biomass power generation. The paper industry produces a lot of wood chips, there's agricultural material waste, and even animal waste that can be used - why would someone try to grow a new crop, simply to turn around and use it to run a boiler? It would certainly lessen the viability since you're putting energy specifically into producing crops to reproduce that energy.

    Our energy demands grow exponentially. I get the need for green energy, and certainly support anyone who wants to privately invest in it, or any technology that stems from federal funding that had a different focus (i.e. - NASA has given us piles of good shit). People chant for renewables, but they all have issues. Hydroelectric has some neat stuff on the micro-level, but building dams is an environmental issue in itself. Wind's great, but the audobon society doesn't like the bird kills, and anyone who paid for a view doesn't want the turbines built near their house. Solar will get there one day, but seriously? 3000 miles in 2 weeks in a car designed to be as light and aerodynamic as possible isn't really "racing" in my book.

    Natural gas is cleaner than coal, but still you're working with limited supply of fossil fuels. These two are really the only ones that can keep up with demand that we've spoken about. The fact that we're not really building nukes is idiotic. It's cleaner, provides jobs, the safety controls built in are incredible (particularly here in the US), their efficiency continues to improve. Our plants are built better, and with more protective regulation than Fukushima was, and after a size 9.0 earthquake, and a 45+ foot tsunami hitting it, there were zero deaths from the plant. Somehow this was jumped on by the media and reported as some sort of horrible thing. Nukes are good for all of us.

    Oh yeah, no, growing hemp for biomass is stupid and inefficient. Growing high quality marijuana and selling it legally to those of age, then using the leftover product for biomass is smart.
  19. I really don't know that much about nuclear power but my initial questions about it are:

    how much does it cost to build/maintain a nuclear plant?

    isn't it run off uranium which is a finite resource?
  20.  
    Originally Posted by cdmalgee View Post

    Biomass is more viable than solar, but there isn't a reason to grow new crops for biomass power generation. The paper industry produces a lot of wood chips, there's agricultural material waste, and even animal waste that can be used - why would someone try to grow a new crop, simply to turn around and use it to run a boiler? It would certainly lessen the viability since you're putting energy specifically into producing crops to reproduce that energy.

    pm 1923 about this "new crop."

    and you are helping make hemp-advocates' point - hemp doesn't require the agricultural inputs that the biomass of choice (for political reasons) requires. hemp grows like a weed and produces a shit-ton (I know, confusing scientific jargon) more biomass/acre.

    why should we wait for some trickling of technology from NASA? where would we be now if the US had started a NASA-esque program for solar energy in the early '70s? doubt we'd be too worried about dependence on foreign oil today.

    it'd probably be like star-trek already, no money, free shit for errbody, tight uniforms on Nubian communications officers..fucking shit would be awesome.

    too cheap to meter...
  21.  
    Originally Posted by cdmalgee View Post


    Oh yeah, no, growing hemp for biomass is stupid and inefficient. Growing high quality marijuana and selling it legally to those of age, then using the leftover product for biomass is smart.


    Just because you say it is so doesn't make it so. I bet growing hemp for fuel is more efficient than growing corn for fuel like we currently do.
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  22.  
    Originally Posted by cdmalgee View Post

    Oh yeah, no, growing hemp for biomass is stupid and inefficient. Growing high quality marijuana and selling it legally to those of age, then using the leftover product for biomass is smart.

    lol, didn't read this far I guess, wouldn't have taken the time to respond at all if I had, especially the bolded. ya might want to read up a little, you'll probably be surprised.
  23.  

    Researchers at UConn have found that the fiber crop Cannabis sativa, known as industrial hemp, has properties that make it viable and even attractive as a raw material, or feedstock, for producing biodiesel – sustainable diesel fuel made from renewable plant sources. The plant’s ability to grow in infertile soils also reduces the need to grow it on primary croplands, which can then be reserved for growing food, says Richard Parnas, a professor of chemical, materials, and biomolecular engineering who led the study.

    http://phys.org/news205599757.html
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  24. As an investor in frito lay I'm strongly pro-hemp.
  25.  
    Originally Posted by Geoff Moore View Post

    I really don't know that much about nuclear power but my initial questions about it are:

    how much does it cost to build/maintain a nuclear plant?

    isn't it run off uranium which is a finite resource?

    It wouldn't cost the taxpayer's anything. You let a utility build a new efficient reactor, and they'll jump at the chance. It's obviously expensive, but that's on the owners.

    Uranium is a finite resource, but we have known stocks to hold us for 200 years, and if we can advance feeder technology, you're talking 30,000+ years, and if we can learn how to remove uranium from sea water, you're talking over 60,000 years. I don't think we go another 200 years without fusion, anyway.
  26.  
    Originally Posted by Dyzalot View Post

    http://phys.org/news205599757.html

    free market strikes again?
  27.  
    Originally Posted by Mr Galt View Post

    As an investor in frito lay I'm strongly pro-hemp.


    No doubt. Pro-hemp = better rope. Better rope = cat can't get away. Cat can't get away = more time to smoke sticky green bud..... = $$$
  28.  
    Originally Posted by cdmalgee View Post

    It wouldn't cost the taxpayer's anything. You let a utility build a new efficient reactor, and they'll jump at the chance. It's obviously expensive, but that's on the owners.

    Uranium is a finite resource, but we have known stocks to hold us for 200 years, and if we can advance feeder technology, you're talking 30,000+ years, and if we can learn how to remove uranium from sea water, you're talking over 60,000 years. I don't think we go another 200 years without fusion, anyway.


    Nuclear reactors aren't feasible without government subsidies.

     

    Government subsidies to the nuclear power industry over the past fifty years have been so large in proportion to the value of the energy produced that in some cases it would have cost taxpayers less to simply buy kilowatts on the open market and give them away, according to a February 2011 report by the Union of Concerned Scientists. The report, Nuclear Power: Still Not Viable without Subsidies, looks at the economic impacts and policy implications of subsidies to the nuclear power industry—past, present, and proposed.

    http://www.ucsusa.org/nuclear_power/...es-report.html
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  29.  
    Originally Posted by Dyzalot View Post

    Just because you say it is so doesn't make it so. I bet growing hemp for fuel is more efficient than growing corn for fuel like we currently do.

    I'm sure it probably is more efficient. It doesn't mean growing corn and using it for fuel isn't stupid and inefficient as well.
  30.  
    Originally Posted by cdmalgee View Post

    I'm sure it probably is more efficient. It doesn't mean growing corn and using it for fuel isn't stupid and inefficient as well.


    Yes but do you have any evidence or science to back your claims? Hemp grows like a weed. Doubt there is a much more efficient plant in the world.
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