I understand when people get too involed/upset with talks about politics, religon, abortion. I get that!

I don't get vegans. It's the one cause that people get up in arms about, that I don't understand. Why would someone ever make this lifestyle choice?

Can any vegan give me a reason to join the vegan cause?

Some people love animals more than they love eating steak.

Others don't.

Thus, some people are vegans, and other people aren't.

I love eating steak more than I love watching a cute animal not die. Thus, I'm not vegan.

Other people don't, thus they are.

It's pretty simple.

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Originally Posted by marinersheep

If it weren't so damn hard and I didn't love the taste of animal products so much, I would be a vegan.

Yup. But I did manage to be a vegetarian for 13 years.

 

Originally Posted by userid363

Yup. But I did manage to be a vegetarian for 13 years.

Does this mean that you have stop and are now eating meat? If so how hard was it the first time eating beef, chicken, fish or whatever? Did you get sick and what made you decide to stop?

Also, I agree with mariner.

As time goes on, imitation-meat will become more and more similar to real meat, in terms of flavor-accuracy, as well as texture-accuracy, as well as contain all the vitamins/minerals/whatever that real meat has in it.

Once this happens, where it gets to the point that there's literally no discernible difference whatsoever between imitation meat and real meat (even for something that seems impossible to flawlessly mimic, like, a really good grilled steak where the exterior has that charred texture/flavor, and the thick middle part is less and less cooked the closer you get to the center, with the fibers changing in consistency every so slightly along the cooking-gradient across the length of the cross section, even something like this will be possible to mimic to 100.0% flawlessly accurate replication, to where it's literally completely impossible to tell the real from the fake, a long long long long long long long long long long long time in the future, like, once our shit is all Star Trek style or whatever and we have the technology to pull this level of hardcore meat-imitation to such a perfect level like that) then, obv they will outlaw the killing of animals for food at that point, since it will no longer be necessary, and thus will be considered cruelty to animals, once it serves no purpose anymore (and obv, by this point in the future they'd also have ways of controlling the population size of various species without killing animals that are already alive, rather, preventing more of them from being procreated past a certain population limit to keep the ecosystem in check, thus, hunting deers to control overpopulation will also no longer exist, due to the Star Trek technology future humans having a way to control the populations/stabilize the ecosystem in some more advanced/precise/effective way)

So, at that point, killing animals for food purposes or population control/ecosystem balancing will no longer be necessary, as a result of those advances in technology, so it'll just be completely outlawed.

And then, as Mariner said, when they look back on what humans were doing for food in 2010, they will, indeed, be like "lulz", the same way that when we right now in 2010 look back on slave ownership from a few hundred years ago, we're like "lulz".

Times change, and thus things which are currently socially accepted norms, eventually are viewed as ghastly savagery, as morals/ethics advance to higher and higher levels over time.

The biggest thing we'll be laughed at for tho, when people look back on our current society in history class a thousand years from now, will be religion. By a wide margin. People are going to have trouble breathing from how hard they will laugh at the way religion was in 2010 earth when they are first learning about how we were back now when they are in history class in 3010. They will laugh SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO motherfucking hard at that shit. Damn, I cringe just thinking about it, that I will be lumped in with the religious tards of our time when kids learn about people from my time a thousand years from now. LSKDFJIOsgujklsdjskjfklsd

***Notice for future humans, if you happen upon this thread like a thousand years from now or something***:

Dear future people,

If you are somehow reading this, and it's like the year 3,000 or something, and, presumably religion no longer exists, and is now looked back upon with great laughter and roflcoptrism, I would like you to know: I, bfactor, was an atheist, to the motherfucking CORE. Please do not associate me with the 90% of the human population during the time period in which I lived who were being all retarded, those guys totally sucked, I wasn't one of them.

My frozen body is located at the Earth Geographic Coordinates of precisely 90 degrees South, 0 Degrees West (the south pole). It located at "sea level (2010 sea level that is)", which at the moment, is 9,186 feet below ground level, although, may be a few thousand feet closer to ground level than it currently is, in the time you are living in, as a result of global warming or ozone failsaucing or whatnot, so, adjust your dig operation accordingly.

Once you find my body, please unfreeze it in a manner that will not leave my cell membranes/etc ruptured/fucked up (use nano technology robots to fix all my cells and stuff as they are unthawing or whatever technology you guys probly have by now), and then revive me. I am a very nice person and I promise I will not rape any of you. Even if you are all Asian and hot. Which you probably are. Since Asians pwn, and thus will probably be the only race to survive in the longrun. I will tell you many 1st person historical accounts of things which happened in my time for you if you do this for me, and I will act very friendly and kindly to you and everyone and stuff so it will totally be worth it. Thanks.

Your friend,
bfactor

Pretentious self-denial gets pussy.

I'm not sure if mariner was leveling or not.

I absolutely love eating dead animals.

You could show me hundreds of pictures/movies of people killing innocent animals, and I could still chow down on a steak in front of me.

As someone who has 2 immediate family members vegan let m say they dont begrudge ppl for eating meat just the inhumane treatment of the animals. There is no economic answer for this.

Also they feel their lifestyle is more healthy than meat eaters, as yet to be seen.

I don't think killing and eating animals is so bad. I mean that happens in the wild all the time. The animals were bread for us to eat and thus wouldn't exist if not for us to eat so to say oh don't eat meat save those cows/chickens/pigs/bald eagles is dumb. If we stop eating meat the populations of domestic farm animals decreases dramatically.

On the other hand I do disklike greatly how many of these animals are treated in their short lifespans. There should be some humane standard of living for livestock. Also we probably shouldn't pump them full of growth hormones for both the good of the animals and the people eating them.

My girlfriends family lives in and around Ann Arbor and are vegans. They do eat meat occasionaly during special occasions. . They don't eat meat in their day to day lives. They do it more for the health aspect of it than anything and arent' that preachy about it. I openly eat meat around them and they don't seem to care. What gets me though is that I hunt. I'm not an avid hunter but I used to be and I still enjoy it. Vegans seem to really come down hard on hunters even though the animals shot in the wild have been able to live a good life unlike most livestock. Most vegans are leftwing and antigun as well though so maybe that plays a roll.

veganism done right is probably the healthiest diet one can have. also, our system of animal raising/eating is fantastically unsustainable. I'm no vegan bc I like meat, but I am constantly trying to eat less.

 

Originally Posted by EyeKnows

what happened to all the horses when the internal combustion engine replaced them?

You compared horses and the invention of the internal combustion engine to cows, pigs, and buffalo and people no longer eating meat?

Because historically horses have had no other purpose that carrying wagons? There is a reason to keep horses and if we didn't keep horses they would likely be very limited in population. What is going to be the purpose of keeping turkeys, pigs, cows, buffalo if not for meat.

 

Originally Posted by EyeKnows

incorrect, ty for playing though.

[citation needed]

 

Originally Posted by Niceguy

I would just like to know why humans have such large incisors if we are not genetically predisposed to eating meat.

As usual, if only people would have read my first post, we wouldn't need all this pointless pseudoscientific pontificating.

 

Originally Posted by Magnet Steve

Pretentious self-denial gets pussy.

nothings worse than the raw diet people though. how the fuck do you never eat anything thats cooked