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  1. AnonymousX AnonymousX is offline

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    Jan 21st, 2012 (1/21/2012 4:44am)

    Really interesting. I apologize if it's been posted before. What a fucked up secretive place!

    http://www.vice.com/the-vice-guide-t...h-korea-1-of-3
  2. zeppelinzoso16 zeppelinzoso16 is offline world traveler

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    Jan 21st, 2012 (1/21/2012 4:51am) in reply to AnonymousX

    That is the tour I want to do :(

    sorta
    Edited By: zeppelinzoso16 Jan 21st, 2012 at 04:51 AM
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    Jan 21st, 2012 (1/21/2012 5:14am) in reply to zeppelinzoso16

    You've experienced most of the places you've traveled as more a citizen than a tourist. This tour only allows you to see NK through the eyes they let you see it through. Not sure if those two sentences made any sense lol but it just seems like the opposite of the way you travel. I understand that it's the only way to probably visit the country in our lifetime but it's weird to pay a TON of money to see a country this way.
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    Jan 21st, 2012 (1/21/2012 5:26am) in reply to AnonymousX

    i like how insane they are...but the people have no idea they are
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    Jan 21st, 2012 (1/21/2012 5:28am) in reply to Lameass_

    The one where they go to Siberia to see the NK labor camps is interesting as well. Pretty much anything Vice does is worth watching imo.
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    Jan 21st, 2012 (1/21/2012 5:33am) in reply to Lameass_

     
    Originally Posted by Lameass_ View Post

    i like how insane they are...but the people have no idea they are


    It's incredible how brainwashed they are. That museum that has all of the "gifts from presidents and governments from around the world given for greatness" just shows how absurd it is.

    I feel like these tours are like those Off-Broadway shows where you participate like "Tony and Tina's Wedding." It's like a semi-scripted play that you're apart of-except they don't seem to understand that the tourists are aware at how fake it is.
    Edited By: AnonymousX Jan 21st, 2012 at 05:34 AM
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    Jan 21st, 2012 (1/21/2012 5:36am) in reply to AnonymousX

     
    Originally Posted by tsxxx04 View Post

    You've experienced most of the places you've traveled as more a citizen than a tourist. This tour only allows you to see NK through the eyes they let you see it through. Not sure if those two sentences made any sense lol but it just seems like the opposite of the way you travel. I understand that it's the only way to probably visit the country in our lifetime but it's weird to pay a TON of money to see a country this way.

    I wouldn't say I've seen the places as a citizen but I try to cross over as much as I can. I spend more than half my time staying in someone's home which certainly helps. I'm definitely on a different path than the standard tourist

    A tour is the only way to see N. korea which is maybe the most fascinating regime in the world. I'm not into tours. They would show you what they want you to see and it would be very controlled. Would be a great experience to see N. Korea, even as a tourist. Once the regime falls there will be nothing like it in existence. However, visiting N. Korea as soon as the regime falls or opens up a little, now that will be unfucking believable (ideally would love to see before and after) . That is the type of occasions I want to start experiencing as I progress in my travels. Think I am going to double major in poli sci and journalism to do just that (if anybody has opinions on those 2 majors in order to accomplish such a thing I'd like to hear)
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    Jan 21st, 2012 (1/21/2012 5:44am) in reply to zeppelinzoso16

    guide is old if you seeked it, but should be seen by everyone. really interesting.

    10 lane empty highways are awesome, among things. empty convention halls where you are the only one having a meal is awesome, and stadium full of youth performing for just their leader, is the nuts of life.
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    Jan 21st, 2012 (1/21/2012 5:53am) in reply to bluefront

    Holy shit...that's about all I can say after that.

    Holy shit.

    It's like taking a trip back to the 1800s or something.
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    Jan 21st, 2012 (1/21/2012 5:59am) in reply to JRoth15

    I wonder how the hell they got all that footage without getting into trouble.

    Pun Yun Chi the pool player is pretty hot.
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    Jan 21st, 2012 (1/21/2012 6:00am) in reply to XquiziVex

     
    Originally Posted by XquiziVex View Post

    I wonder how the hell they got all that footage without getting into trouble.

    Seems as though they would have had a lot more, but when the guides/troops would get pissed, they would just take their memory card.
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    Jan 21st, 2012 (1/21/2012 6:00am) in reply to XquiziVex

    I will continue to ask for my ammo after my bad dreams; juan time?
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    Jan 21st, 2012 (1/21/2012 6:07am) in reply to Mr323

    Bunch of people I know have done the overnight tours there (I think they are closed now due to people going off the "path" and being shot), and it's a lot like what that guy was saying. Pretty much everything they show you is very orchestrated, and they show you exactly what they want you to see. I never really wanted to do it. I didn't think it was right to pay their country $200-$300 that goes to who knows what. The only "funny" thing I was told was at curfew, like is like 8 or 9pm the whole city turns dark and silent...freaky...
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    Jan 21st, 2012 (1/21/2012 6:38am) in reply to nw25th

    These videos are a good study of how mass indoctrination and brainwashing can be accomplished.
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    Jan 21st, 2012 (1/21/2012 6:39am) in reply to Dyzalot

    We are all a product of this to varying degrees.
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    Jan 21st, 2012 (1/21/2012 6:50am) in reply to Dyzalot

     
    Originally Posted by Dyzalot View Post

    These videos are a good study of how mass indoctrination and brainwashing can be accomplished.

    If only Dyz could be videotaped...
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    Jan 21st, 2012 (1/21/2012 6:52am) in reply to XquiziVex

     
    Originally Posted by XquiziVex View Post

    We are all a product of this to varying degrees.

    True. This idea kind of ties into the argument about ethnocentrism we are having in the thread about self immolation.
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    Jan 21st, 2012 (1/21/2012 7:11am) in reply to Dyzalot

    Watching this makes you realize that the human mind is so adaptable that it can be conditioned to perceive any reality as normalcy.
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    Jan 21st, 2012 (1/21/2012 7:33am) in reply to XquiziVex

    whats the lesser evil? living free in a country with the most crime and prisoners or a country with no press or visitors allowed except tourism. All while with the freedom of moving away but not being allowed back?

    Couldve phrased that much better but whatever. you know what I mean

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    Jan 21st, 2012 (1/21/2012 7:35am) in reply to SyphonSoul

     
    Originally Posted by SyphonSoul View Post

    whats the lesser evil? living free in a country with the most crime and prisoners or a country with no press or visitors allowed except tourism. All while with the freedom of moving away but not being allowed back?

    Couldve phrased that much better but whatever. you know what I mean

    its late and Im...

    "most crime"? And I don't think North Koreans have any more ability to move away than people did in Soviet Russia.
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    Jan 21st, 2012 (1/21/2012 7:37am) in reply to Dyzalot

    Im not comparing us and them. Im speaking in broader terms. Stoner logic
     
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    Jan 21st, 2012 (1/21/2012 7:37am) in reply to SyphonSoul

    Food, Drink, Pussy, Weed, Alcohol, Internet, Music, Movies. Thanks Kim whoever, I'll pretend to vote for you supreme dude.
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    Jan 21st, 2012 (1/21/2012 7:38am) in reply to Dyzalot

     
    Originally Posted by Dyzalot View Post

    "most crime"? And I don't think North Koreans have any more ability to move away than people did in Soviet Russia.

    Fuck no they can't leave and if they do escape their family is fucked.

    While I was in China there was a story of somebody trying to defect into China by sneaking across the border. They were caught by Chinese border guards/military (not sure, maybe same anyway) and returned to N. Korea presumably to be executed. We were having a discussion on how fucked up a policy it is and that China is basically an accomplice to murder
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    Jan 21st, 2012 (1/21/2012 7:45am) in reply to zeppelinzoso16

    I read this graphic novel about North Korea last year, which was written by a guy who had to live there for a while when his job in the animation industry resulted in him working over there (since North Korean animation techs work for cheap as fuck so shit gets outsourced to there or whatever so he had to be over there to help run things or something). It basically just shows the random shit he witnessed in every day life in North Korea from his outsider's perspective.

    http://www.amazon.com/Pyongyang-Jour...7131734&sr=8-1

    To be honest the book wasn't as amazing as I thought it would be, like, it was limited a bit by the author's abilities/style, but, it was still definitely worth reading regardless, and of course, since it's a graphic novel, you can read through it very quickly, so even if you end up not liking it it won't waste very much of your time or anything.
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    Jan 21st, 2012 (1/21/2012 7:49am) in reply to bfactor

    I was thinking about you B as I saw all those potentially amazingly hot beautiful brainwashed NK women in the documentary.

    I wonder if it is possible to purchase a night with an NK girl if you take one of the tours?
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    Jan 21st, 2012 (1/21/2012 7:50am) in reply to XquiziVex

    Not N. Korea but there are N. Korea stories on there, especially after Kim Jong Il died (huge news in China, entire funeral was on cctv, almost non stop coverage for days) but if anybody is interested in what is happening in China this website is amazing. It takes the top internet stories in China and translates them to English. Just looked and actually the Asian getting his ass kicked in Chicago in on there

    chinasmack.com

    interesting link from page 2. Cool part of the website is reading the comments. Keep in mind it is very liberal, not status quo Chinese
    http://www.chinasmack.com/2012/pictu....html#comments
    Edited By: zeppelinzoso16 Jan 21st, 2012 at 08:01 AM
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    Jan 21st, 2012 (1/21/2012 4:55pm) in reply to zeppelinzoso16

    That site might be my new OT.

    What a story here. Pics in link below.


    http://www.chinasmack.com/2011/pictu...ed-online.html




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    Jan 21st, 2012 (1/21/2012 9:14pm) in reply to wantagolf

    What were you trying to post, wanta? it's not showing up for me.
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    Jan 21st, 2012 (1/21/2012 9:27pm) in reply to AnonymousX

    They are pics of Chinese girls in going thru sex training. The first one is on a sex swing. They show up for me.
     
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    Jan 21st, 2012 (1/21/2012 10:09pm) in reply to Shaaarrrp

    i wanna see wanta's and shaaarps pics sfbad, please fix
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