my buddy works at the airport and said he just got into town.

He's not a talented QB, I'd take him as a backup or to run the wildcat if Alge Crumpler were the TE but other than that I don't get the attraction NFL teams have?

i rly hope he doesnt sign there, TO is enough

 

Originally Posted by jtown1010

He's not a talented QB, I'd take him as a backup or to run the wildcat if Alge Crumpler were the TE but other than that I don't get the attraction NFL teams have?

I agree. People in other cities watch all the ESPN Vick highlights and think he pulled off some incredible move every other play. LOL.

But a back-up/wildcat role, especially teamed up with Crumpler, would be an optimum situation for Vick. Anything more than that would expose him as just another second-rater, not a returning "star."

 

Originally Posted by riverdrowns

lol wut

Perhaps you're confusing running with being a good QB imo.

 

Originally Posted by riverdrowns

perhaps youre assuming passing is the only aspect of playing quarterback these days

perhaps you forgot how he turned around the worst team in football, by himself

perhaps your definition of talent is a little off

QFT

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wishing the 49ers would step up but it doesn't look like its gonna happen

My prediction right here, right now, is the Carolina Panthers is where you will see Michael Vick sign.”

Smith describes that with a ‘stable ownership group’ in Charlotte that there won’t be any controversies with the signing of Vick and that the community will continue to back the team.


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ONE TYME JERRYYYYYYYYYYYY. Vick killed us every year from when he was a rookie and on.

 

Originally Posted by jtown1010

Yeah I've got a weird definition of talent in terms of QBing, I've got a completely differant definition of talent in terms of a say a RB, but yeah those 2 skill sets are mutually exclusive in Vicks case imo.

i dont understand why you think getting yards through the air is better than getting yards through the ground. Vicks last season he had 3400 total yards, 22 touchdowns and 13 picks. You know who had stats almost exactly like that last year? Brett Farve, Tony Romo, Matt Ryan, Ben Roethlisberger, Jake Delhomme, Eli Manning, Matt Shaub, David Garrard, Chad Pennington. Plenty of starting NFL quarterbacks put up worse numbers last season.

Give me 32 quarterbacks in the NFL better than Vick

<h3> Michael Vick Was a Better QB Than You Think </h3>

Before Michael Vick's run-in with the law, he was widely considered an exciting and elusive quarterback with below-average throwing ability. Usually, his poor completion percentage is cited as evidence of his lackluster passing ability. It seems that reputation is still with him. Case in point is this excerpt from Peter King's most recent post:


<span>Well, as a quarterback, Vick was decidedly mediocre in his four full seasons starting for the Falcons. His completion percentages when he started at least 15 games -- 54.9, 56.4, 55.3 and 52.6 -- were poor; he had 36 fumbles and 38 interceptions in his last 46 starts.</span>

One thing is certain--Vick is (or was) an unconventional QB. He was a breakaway runner without peer, and the normal rules of quarterbacking don't apply. The vast majority of Vick's 529 career runs were scrambles on pass plays. When a conventional QB progresses through his reads, he looks at WR#1, WR#2, TE, and then dumps off to a RB. But Vick, on the other hand, doesn't bother with the dump off. He <span>is </span>the dump off.
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Most of Vick's 52 running yards per game can really be credited as passing yards. They were yards gained on pass plays in passing situations. He averaged 7.1 yards per run. Compare that to the NFL's 5.0 average net passing yards per attempt and 4.1 rushing yards per attempt. And remember, there is never a risk of interception if he tucks the ball and runs. If you factor in his sacks into his rushing average, it becomes 5.1 net yards per run, which is still good. But if we do that, it would make his net passing yards per attempt much higher. After all, we can only count his sack yards against him once. Otherwise, it's double jeopardy.

So Vick's pass completion stats aren't padded by lots of rinky-dinky dump offs. David Carr actually <span>led the NFL</span> in completion percentage in 2006 with a gaudy 68.3%, only to lose his job the following off-season (to Vick's backup nonetheless).

To get an idea of how deep Vick was throwing compared to his league counterparts, we can look at yards per completion. In 2006, the most recent year Vick played, the league's other top 30 QBs averaged 11.4 yards per completion, while Vick averaged 12.1.

Vick's receiver corps in Atlanta was never known as particularly talented. If we remove receiver YAC from the equation, the numbers are even more favorable for Vick. His Air Yards, the yards a complete pass travels in the air forward of the line of scrimmage, is impressive. The top 30 other QBs in 2006 averaged 6.3 Air Yds per completion, while Vick averaged 7.7.

Yes, his interception and fumble rates are higher than you'd like, but those too should be considered in the context of the depth of his throws and the frequency with which he runs. So although Vick's passing stats, especially completion percentage, appear sub-par, that should be expected, and they are somewhat offset by greater gains for each completion. I'm not claiming he's great, or even above average, just </span><span>better than his conventional stats suggest.</span>

<span>http://www.advancednflstats.com/2009...-than-you.html
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Dude Roddy White and Michael Jenkins are/were very good, Vick just sucked at throwing an accurate pass, it didn't help that he had all arm and no touch with poor accuracy.

So should we consider how difficult(impossible) being an O-lineman was under Vicks watch?

 

Originally Posted by jtown1010

Dude Roddy White and Michael Jenkins are/were very good, Vick just sucked at throwing an accurate pass, it didn't help that he had all arm and no touch with poor accuracy.

Randy Moss and Wes Welker are great...does that make Tom Brady worse?

 

Originally Posted by SantanaBandana

Randy Moss and Wes Welker are great...does that make Tom Brady worse?

Ummm, can you see how those guys would make him appear to be statistically superior than if he had you and I as his receivers?

I never said anything about players making other players better though.