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  1. ZachL ZachL is offline

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    Dec 7th, 2009 (12/7/2009 6:34pm) in reply to ginwilly

    I agree with you gin, I feel as thou it is more about politics than helping anyone, I find it funny most people like to have their say in something rather than ask questions. I don't think my way is the best by all means, I know there is a better system, I would like to hear how you would have it. It just all gets so complicated with unneeded layers its to bad they don't put the time and effort to build an effective method from the ground up.
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    Dec 7th, 2009 (12/7/2009 6:38pm) in reply to ZachL

    my way would never happen. I would like to see things done in baby steps. We could try one thing at a time, if it works keep it, if it doesn't repeal it.

    Of course we would still argue over the steps, mine would be LESS government intervention, freeing up the insurance competition and drug competition. But at least we could see if something works instead of just throwing a bunch of shit on the wall and seeing what sticks. (see stimulus)
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    Dec 7th, 2009 (12/7/2009 6:41pm) in reply to ginwilly

     
    Originally Posted by ginwilly View Post

    Zach, i guess you'd have to understand the principles our country was founded on to understand why so many people are against this. We basically said F U to a government controlling our lives and founded a country on individual liberties, it really wasn't founded on the collective good mentality.

    You are right, I would have to understand those principles. I know you are talking about leeches from the bottom point of the scale, but isn't the top of the scale just as easily exploitable, having everything based off of money. I suppose if you would like it to be a everyman for himself mentality then I can see why private business flourishes.
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    Dec 7th, 2009 (12/7/2009 6:46pm) in reply to ZachL

     
    Originally Posted by ZachL View Post

    I suppose if you would like it to be a everyman for himself mentality then I can see why private business flourishes.

    It's not really an every man for himself mentality as much as it is every man is responsible for himself. This attitude allowed us to quickly become the world leader in so many ways, we are getting away from this and being reduced to the least common denominator. We don't even keep score in elementary school games anymore.
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    Dec 7th, 2009 (12/7/2009 6:48pm) in reply to jetsjets1028

     
    Originally Posted by jetsjets1028 View Post


    Zach,

    Help me out here please.

    You are for a system where anyone who pays taxes is entitled to a complete and comprehensive healthcare plan. Correct?

    No jets, that is incorrect. I believe everyone should be entitled to it.
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    Dec 7th, 2009 (12/7/2009 6:50pm) in reply to ginwilly

     
    Originally Posted by ginwilly View Post


    It's not really an every man for himself mentality as much as it is every man is responsible for himself. This attitude allowed us to quickly become the world leader in so many ways, we are getting away from this and being reduced to the least common denominator. We don't even keep score in elementary school games anymore.

    Haha, that is so funny because its true!
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    Dec 7th, 2009 (12/7/2009 6:57pm) in reply to ZachL

     
    Originally Posted by ZachL View Post

    No jets, that is incorrect. I believe everyone should be entitled to it.

    What about someone who sneaks into this country?
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    Dec 7th, 2009 (12/7/2009 7:05pm) in reply to jetsjets1028

     
    Originally Posted by jetsjets1028 View Post

    What about someone who sneaks into this country?

    I knew that's where this was going, and if it were in the case of an emergency yes I think anyone should help him, however if he has a non life threatening condition, well he obviously won't go looking for help unless he wants to go back to his native country.
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    Dec 7th, 2009 (12/7/2009 7:09pm) in reply to ZachL

    i actually wasnt done....

    what if someone from Mexico finds out that they have life threatening cancer and then sneaks into the country

    do they get free treatment?
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    Dec 7th, 2009 (12/7/2009 7:32pm) in reply to jetsjets1028

    so you see where Jets is going. The liberal mind feels everyone should be taken care of, the conservative mind feels everyone should take care of their own.

    both of our feels are not realistic which is why we meet in the middle.
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    Dec 7th, 2009 (12/7/2009 7:41pm) in reply to ginwilly

     
    Originally Posted by ginwilly View Post

    both of our feels are not realistic which is why we meet in the middle.

    well i'll be damned. drinks are on me good sir :)
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    Dec 7th, 2009 (12/7/2009 7:42pm) in reply to ginwilly

    exactly....and btw, i dont have such a serious problem with treating an illegal with a life-threatening injury in the ER like a heart attack...as long as that person was treated and IMMEDIATELY deported
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    Dec 7th, 2009 (12/7/2009 8:03pm) in reply to jetsjets1028

    Ok, if you weren't done can you please post everything in one post? It feels as though you are trying to trap me into a point where I have to agree with you. Which guess what, I probably do agree with you on most points!

    Now, if someone sneaks into any country under the circumstances that he/she is directly trying to benefit him or herself to care, and cannot prove they qualify for that care, which would be a citizen of that country. Then no they should not receive care. Now, if someone sneaks into any country and is in need of emergency care and weather they can prove they are here visiting legally or not they should be taken care of.

    Now the difference between those two situations would be that, in the first scenario yes they may have a life threatening disease or illness, however it is not the type of care that can be healed immediately so they are prevented from dieing. So the preventative measures put in place to make sure only ones countryman would receive help would take place.

    In the other situation someone is going to need an immediate operation to be saved. Whether that be from a car accident, a life threatening wound, then yes we should help!

    Ok so what scenario do you have next for me? You can't cry over spilled milk, you have to have trust in the preventative measures put in place to stop these things from happening, although nothing will ever be 100% it should be satisfactory to know you yourself will be cared for in the time of need. I don't think one person here or there will ever have a direct effect on one countries own citizen dying because the illegal alien was getting cared for first.
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    Dec 7th, 2009 (12/7/2009 8:05pm) in reply to jetsjets1028

     
    Originally Posted by jetsjets1028 View Post

    exactly....and btw, i dont have such a serious problem with treating an illegal with a life-threatening injury in the ER like a heart attack...as long as that person was treated and IMMEDIATELY deported

    Ya exactly! And that is probably what happens, so what is the problem!?
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    Dec 7th, 2009 (12/7/2009 8:11pm) in reply to jetsjets1028

     
    Originally Posted by jetsjets1028 View Post

    exactly....and btw, i dont have such a serious problem with treating an illegal with a life-threatening injury in the ER like a heart attack...as long as that person was treated and IMMEDIATELY deported

    "Give me your tired, your poor,
     Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
     The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
     Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
     I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
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    Dec 7th, 2009 (12/7/2009 8:18pm) in reply to threeven

    threeven,

    so you are in favor of giving benefits to people who are here illegally?

    are you just ignoring the fact that its illegal?

    maybe you should write a letter to your congressman asking for him to push for 100% open borders

    until then spare me the statue of liberty crap.....it is perfectly possible for someone to come into this country and become a citizen...i welcome those people as you do

    people who sneak in and want all the good stuff without paying any of the taxes need to go

    get a spine please
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    Dec 7th, 2009 (12/7/2009 8:26pm) in reply to jetsjets1028

    zach,

    i wasn't trying to trap you...just wanted to see how far you would go

    most people that believe healthcare is a right dont stop there

    dental, daycare, college, housing, etc etc etc

    i have no problem with your position other than i dont think you could ever figure out a realistic way to pay for it

    that is where my system has yours beat.....it is proven that a society like ours can thrive with personal responsibility being a cornerstone.....WE have proven this in America and other than a few politicians and their desire for more and more power, I cant see the point in going down the path we are headed down

    maybe you can help me
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