Originally Posted by BigJohn804

Biden "won" the debate, if you are scoring it as a matter of forensic competition. He also did what he needed to do to slap some of the Dem base back to their senses after Romney walked all over Obama last week. Trying to categorize Biden winning in the same category as how Romney won that first debate would be laughable; it's the difference between a 1 run game and a game being called for the mercy rule.

But I suspect in the larger narrative, the VP debate is only going to come down to one thing: how did independent voters react to Biden's guffawing, interruptions and body language? The answer to that question will tell you who actually won the debate.

How that story develops through tomorrow is the thing to watch.

It's the VP debate. There were no home runs hit. No one cares.

Nothing to see here, move along.

 

Originally Posted by Realbigfish4

Me too. He was so clear on what cuts he and Romney will make in taxes, and what "loop holes" and deductions they will remove. He also did a wonderful job of explaining what will be focused on in 2013 when he and Romney are "evaluating" the situation in Afghanistan, as well as what steps they'd take that the Obama administration isnt when it comes to Iran and nukes... Did he give a full answer on anything other than claiming the SCOTUS can shove a fetus up their ass?

What's President Obama's plan for economic growth again? Does he plan to put forward a plan anytime soon?

 

Originally Posted by gamma21

What's President Obama's plan for economic growth again? Does he plan to put forward a plan anytime soon?

It seems to be working a little slower than he planned but unemployment below 8% and the DOW over 13k seems like whatever he's doing is working... Obv I think their are better candidates when it comes to the economy, but Romney/Ryan and their idea that going back to 1990 economics will work doesnt seem like a winning plan to me. It already failed this nation once, why in the world would anyone want to go back to it?

 

Originally Posted by Realbigfish4

It seems to be working a little slower than he planned but unemployment below 8% and the DOW over 13k seems like whatever he's doing is working... Obv I think their are better candidates when it comes to the economy, but Romney/Ryan and their idea that going back to 1990 economics will work doesnt seem like a winning plan to me. It already failed this nation once, why in the world would anyone want to go back to it?

I'm not voting for Romney or Obama, just wanted to get that out of the way.

I'm thinking that some people might want to try something different, since the Obama recovery has been uber slow and tepid at best. I'm not so sure you can call comprehensive tax reform an idea that has been proven to be ineffective. If it's so bad, then why does President Obama claim he wants to do the same with the corporate tax rate? Oh, and by the way, I'm still waiting on the specifics of what deductions President Obama plans to eliminate when it comes to corporate tax rates. Why won't he give specifics (see what I did)?

Growth is slowing, not increasing, so what is President Obama's plan to correct the unacceptable growth? Does he have any fresh ideas that might help the economy grow other than just hiring a bunch of new teachers? I love teachers, but there are millions of people unemployed right now that aren't teachers. Touting a tepid recovery where none of the Presidents claims and promises about job creation have come to fruition is pathetic.

How in the fuck can any of you be voting for anyone in the two parties who have got us in this fucking mess?

jesus christ you people tilt the fuck out of me....well...as much as an internet forum can.

i think everyone agrees America has regressed over the last 30 to 40 years and yet we still want to vote for the dipshits who helped get us into this mess?

'fucking insanity man'

and he asked biden if there would be a litmus test looool. what is this amateur hour? Romney will be drawing names out of a hat.

@pluv, a large chunk of us won't vote R or D but it's nice to enter a political thread once in a while and have an opinion loosely related to the discussion. just my take

Yeah, my rooting interest here is about favoring a guy who will almost certainly shit on the long term financial viability of the country over a guy who will absolutely keep shitting on the long term financial viability of the country.

My only hope is that Romney may be answerable to a Buckley/Goldwater type conservative electorate that seems to finally be "getting it" rather than the crazy God-tard wing that has hijacked the party for my entire lifetime, and there's at least a small chance that he promotes fiscal responsibility.

I'm scared shitless of what happens if Obama wins a second term and has no electorate to answer to.

If you think either candidate dominated or even came off as competent then congrats, you have partisan blindness, that was awful.

Biden won by a clear margin imo. And ftr no way in hell am I voting for a second term so you can't chalk it up to "partisan blindness".

I wasn't impressed with either one. My thoughts pretty much echo that of others itt. Biden was rude and snarky and just came across really bad and undignified. Ryan looked stiff and, as someone (maybe jester?) said, "plastic". The only exception were his final comments, which I thought were great and came across as very presidential. No clear winner for me. I'm still voting for Romney (duh), so I obviously liked what Ryan had to say more, but I wasn't blown away.

 

Originally Posted by Geoff Moore

Biden won by a clear margin imo. And ftr no way in hell am I voting for a second term so you can't chalk it up to "partisan blindness".

Headline of the New York Post today: VOTE FOR JOE: VP SHOWS O HOW TO DEBATE

I still haven't watched it, but if the New York Post is saying something positive about a Democrat, methinks the Democrat did pretty well

Man people just tripping cuz ryan so young and he got introduced to da game last night.

 

Originally Posted by Realbigfish4

How anyone in their right mind can like what Ryan had to say when he said, "We don't think that unelected judges should make this decision, that people through their elected representatives in reaching a consensus in society through the democratic process should make this determination", is insane.

Fact check time:
http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/nation...ul-ryans-night

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1012/82317.html

About even on lie-o-meter. No one lie or misleading statement stands out to me, and both were much more truthful than I thought they would be b4 the debate.

I don't find what he said insane at all. First of all, I'm pro-life, so yeah. Secondly, I think what he was essentially trying to say is "leave abortion decisions up to the individual states". For someone that seems to like the libertarian position on things, I don't see how you can have a problem with that.

We've had, what? 20 years of Republican presidents since Roe v. Wade? They all ran on a pro-life platform, but not one of them has tried to outlaw abortion. I don't see why Romney/Ryan would be any different. They've certainly wanted to put some restrictions on it, and rightfully so. Liberals say they want abortion to be "safe, legal and rare", but any attempts to curb it at all and make it more rare causes them to go nuts. Obama is radically pro-abortion. Even to the point that if a victim of a late-term abortion is born alive, he doesn't think that baby should be given any medical attention at all and just be left to die. Most Americans favor parental notification laws, waiting periods, etc.. when it comes to abortion.

 

Originally Posted by ECUgirl

I don't find what he said insane at all. First of all, I'm pro-life, so yeah. Secondly, I think what he was essentially trying to say is "leave abortion decisions up to the individual states".

How would you feel if other personal rights were left up to the states, like the right to worship, the right to bear arms, or the right to vote?

*And Romney has clearly stated that he will appoint SCJs that will try to overturn the ruling, and 2 SCjs are likely to be appointed during the next Presidential term.