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Where's the stat on how many players have won 3 tournies in a single year?
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Originally Posted by SpankyHamm
Remember, when Jack and Arnie were winning, they weren't allowing black players on tour.
Yes they were, was obv hard for them due to whitey but def allowed - either way what does that mean- guessing a joke? -
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Edited By: Leafs4ever21 Jul 3rd, 2012 at 01:13 AMFor these stats to matter, you have to let everyone who Tiger is playing against finish their careers.Originally Posted by ZeeDustin
Level of competition during their prime by most PGA Wins....
Of the PGA Tour Players with most wins, Tiger has played against #9, 13, 33, 42, 51, 70. Jack has played against #5, 7, 11, 14, 19, 19, 23, 25, 27, 29, 33, 33, 38, 38, 42, 48, 51, 63, 63, 70, 70, 70.
With that, Phil and possibly Ernie are the only ones who can pad their wins and they are winning at a 1-2 per year ratio and can only do that for about 5 more years max.
Also the 12% is flawed. Nicklaus playing well over 15 events a year in the mid 40's(barring miraculous Masters) and 50's where he had no chance of winning.
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Ok...just looked it up, seems pretty common
Originally Posted by dams
Where's the stat on how many players have won 3 tournies in a single year?
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Originally Posted by dams
Where's the stat on how many players have won 3 tournies in a single year?
18 - Byron Nelson, 1945
13 - Ben Hogan, 1946
11 - Sam Snead, 1950
10 - Ben Hogan, 1948
9 - Paul Runyan, 1933 - Tiger Woods, 2000 - Vijay Singh, 2004
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Horton Smith, 1929
Gene Sarazen, 1930
Sam Snead, 1938
Byron Nelson, 1944
Arnold Palmer, 1960
Arnold Palmer, 1962
Johnny Miller, 1974
Tiger Woods, 1999
Tiger Woods, 2006
Cant find a list that goes down to just 3 wins, but i'm sure it has happened alot. -
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no, the argument made by most is that the people jack played against were stronger at the top, thus making it easier to top ten but harder to winOriginally Posted by Leafs4ever21
For these stats to matter, you have to let everyone who Tiger is playing against finish their careers.
also, I don't think there is any arguing that tiger is playing against a deeper talent pool then Jack was. -
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Not arguing that point, just saying it is deeper. the 100th ranked players has more talent now than when Jack was in his prime.Originally Posted by tommpat2000
no, the argument made by most is that the people jack played against were stronger at the top, thus making it easier to top ten but harder to win
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Edited By: swizbeatz Jul 3rd, 2012 at 01:48 AMIs the bolded part a fact? I'm sure you could argue there were only a couple good players then compared to now using the same stats. Also he's gonna kill it for the next 10 years or so anyways and it will all be a moot point and you will look really stupid, can't wait to make fun of you in 2023.Originally Posted by ZeeDustin
22.6% for The Bear through the same time span while playing tougher competition as seen in the players played against with total tour wins.
Not really a good stat to look at yet. Once Tiger reaches 300 tourneys we should revisit it. He is at 271.
Edit-ignore the top, less talented players total but more at the top does make some sense.
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Originally Posted by Leafs4ever21
For these stats to matter, you have to let everyone who Tiger is playing against finish their careers.
also, I don't think there is any arguing that tiger is playing against a deeper talent pool then Jack was.
Already done that pretty much. #70 has 13 wins. But the biggest number here is top 30. Tiger played against 2 while Jack played against 10. Furyk needs 5 more wins...Highly unlikable. Davis Love 1, Same...Ernie 3, maybe. Toms and Duval 8, not happening. Top 30 have 21 wins. Highly unlikable that even 2 players reach that that are playing now. Like its been said, top to bottom the fields are stronger now, but at the top its no question that Jack had it harder. -
You could argue that today the field of elite players is larger and the skill level spread is much narrower and thus it is tougher to be a repeat winner.
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Originally Posted by ZeeDustin
Already done that pretty much. #70 has 13 wins. But the biggest number here is top 30. Tiger played against 2 while Jack played against 10. Furyk needs 5 more wins...Highly unlikable. Davis Love 1, Same...Ernie 3, maybe. Toms and Duval 8, not happening. Top 30 have 21 wins. Highly unlikable that even 2 players reach that that are playing now. Like its been said, top to bottom the fields are stronger now, but at the top its no question that Jack had it harder.
I'd say it's more likely that Furyk wins 5 more times than it is that Els wins 3 more times in PGA Tour events. -
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Edited By: pistol45 Jul 3rd, 2012 at 04:08 PMNo, a deeper field of talented players makes the opposite argument seem more valid. An elite top 10 might not even crack top 25 year after year in today's pool. Given the evolution of the sport, globalization, Nationwide and other tours, and the vast amount of money and resources going into it, the athletes attracted to it will be better now than ever. A better argument would be scoring average, countering with equipment changes, then rebutting with 'Tiger-proofing'. There are variables that will make either argument a reasonable debate. Jack stood out among his generation more than Tiger (maybe), but Jack would have beat Tiger consistently, I think anyone would argue against that. They would probably be rivals.Originally Posted by ZeeDustin
Already done that pretty much. #70 has 13 wins. But the biggest number here is top 30. Tiger played against 2 while Jack played against 10. Furyk needs 5 more wins...Highly unlikable. Davis Love 1, Same...Ernie 3, maybe. Toms and Duval 8, not happening. Top 30 have 21 wins. Highly unlikable that even 2 players reach that that are playing now. Like its been said, top to bottom the fields are stronger now, but at the top its no question that Jack had it harder.
Annika Sorenstam has 93 wins, 10 majors, 307 starts and a win rate over 25%. LPGA has about 15 golfers with more than 10 wins, and is very top-heavy talent pool. Is she better that Jack? -
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Tiger>Jack>>>>>Hagen>>>>>>>>>>everyone else
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Edited By: ZeeDustin Jul 3rd, 2012 at 06:03 PMHow is this homering? LolOriginally Posted by clemsonrich
seriously zee ur such a fkin homer and i have no idea why people entertain your drivel. diamfgfmf.
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Did someone really bring up women's golf? Lolol wtf. Nobody will ever be as good as Annika fwiw so that argument is stupid.
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babe maybe?Originally Posted by ZeeDustin
Did someone really bring up women's golf? Lolol wtf. Nobody will ever be as good as Annika fwiw so that argument is stupid.
either some korean will for sure, she quit early to have a family. Seems like a lot asians put career before family so easily could happen -
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So who's third? Jones is the only person I can think that comes close to Hagen, but he retired at like 30 or something.Originally Posted by ZeeDustin
How is this homering? Lol
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Hogan came from almost dying to kill the golf world in a year. Palmer is also ahead of Hagen. I'd also put Slammin Sammi over him. Jones too
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I'd have to say
The Bear
The Tiger
Hogan
Palmer
Slammin Sammi
Lord Byron
Hagen / Watson
Sarrazen sp?
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wait? are you people trying to say that people who played 30,40,50 years ago are better than the players on tour today? and using total number of wins in their careers to argue that fact? thats funny, because my thinking would be that those guys won so much cause the rest of the tour sucked dick. and now a days just about anybody can go out there and put together 4 incredible rounds and win an event. deeper talent pool now... harder to win now...
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Originally Posted by TheWacoKidd
any person that doesn't have Tiger on top is clearly delusional. like completely batshit insane.
Most including me think he will be, if not already but for you to say this makes you look dumb
Tiger measures by majors, he is #2 plain and simple so you just called tiger batshit insane
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lol sample size? who has won a greater % of majors? efficiency is the true measure of greatness. quality > quantity, etc... sorry if I don't penalize Tiger for being in his 30's still.
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Originally Posted by TheWacoKidd
lol sample size? who has won a greater % of majors? efficiency is the true measure of greatness. quality > quantity, etc... sorry if I don't penalize Tiger for being in his 30's still.
tommpat calling me dumb? great stuff.
http://capelleongolf.com/2012/04/04/...-2012-masters/
Accorrding to this they are tied for major pace, tiger obv has better reg events due to a lot of reasons. One being all the ones jack played after he couldn't win, another being people were scared of tiger and he could cruise
Anywho, Waco making joke about me being dumb, while making his second uniformed post I a row, great stuff
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yeah, stating that Tiger is the best ever is uninformed. LOLOLOLOL
so Tiger skipped 4 majors and is still slightly ahead of Jack's pace? got it.
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I said u made your self look/ sound dumb - also my dad can beat up yours
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