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  1. According to TMZ, two of the three defendants will be released from jail after admitting guilt? This does not compute somehow.

    http://www.tmz.com/2011/08/18/west-m...jason-baldwin/

    Info on the case
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Memphis_Three

    There was also an excellent documentary about the case titled Paradise Lost.
  2. this is such a tragic situation. nothing worse than imprisoning innocent people. the case is so sketchy, and even if they are guilty, they're no more guilty than casey anthony.
  3. Only way to make this case worse would have been if they had actually carried out the Death Sentence. As for the confessions, lots of cases where suspects are leveraged into plea deals that seem better than fighting, only to get screwed over. The idea that, "if you're innocent why would you plead?" does not stand up to serious scrutiny . . .
  4. TMZ...yeah ok...
  5. I just read the wiki page on it...and have no idea what I just read.
  6.  
    Originally Posted by JRoth15 View Post

    I just read the wiki page on it...and have no idea what I just read.

    this.

    sounds like the adoptive father dude did it tho
  7. yeah, very professional job done by the LEOs on this case.
  8. The Associated Press

    BREAKING: Judge accepts plea to free the "West Memphis Three," who were convicted in scouts' deaths, after 18 years in prison.

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    So can they sue now?
    Edited By: nickh Aug 19th, 2011 at 06:02 PM
  9. why would you make this thread and cite TMZ?
  10.  
    Originally Posted by BillMueller View Post

    why would you make this thread and cite TMZ?

    why do people quote fox news?

    tmz is more fair and balanced than fox news ainec.
  11. meh. the one that killed the dog got what he deserved tho. Not sure on the others.
     
  12. just because TMZ covers celebrity gossip does not make them an unworthy citation.
  13. Believe it or not, TMZ is credible. I doubt they can sue considering they pled guilty using an Alford plea
    Edited By: Stopthatquit Aug 20th, 2011 at 01:30 AM
    Reason: gg spelling
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  14.  
    Originally Posted by BillMueller View Post

    why would you make this thread and cite TMZ?


    TMZ has broken so many stories in the last couple years and i cannot remember them being wrong.


    DEAL WITH IT.
     
  15. about fucking time. its kindof lame that they had to admit their guilt or whatever to get out now instead of having to wait for a retrial could take years but i guess at the end of the day its awesome that they're finally out.

    ive been following the case for a long time now and with all the evidence against one of the victims stepfathers (terry hobbs or something like that i think) combined with the schoddy police work and media attention the cause as got im amazed that its taken this long for them to get out. this shit actually made my day.
     
  16.  
    Originally Posted by EyeKnows View Post

    why do people quote fox news?

    tmz is more fair and balanced than fox news ainec.

    Not saying TMZ is unreliable (it's not), but this is a bit of an overstatement. Please control your liberal urges to bash Fox News every chance you get.
  17. can ANYONE give me a cliff's notes on the original trial and whatnot? i read half the wiki and realized it was just about the longest wiki for a trial ever. i understand A) the three boys were accused of murdering the three younger boys and B) they were accused of doing it for satanic rituals. also understand that there was new DNA evidence that couldn't place the three boys at the scene of the crime. and one of them claims their step dad was probably responsible. what else is there and how exactly did a jury convict them when there was NO hard evidence and only some sketchy motive some DA tried to pin on them?
  18. Basically, one of the defendants is borderline retarded. After 4+ hours of being hounded by the detectives, the kid broke. He couldn't handle it anymore and told them what they wanted to hear. The DA ran with this, and this was the only thing they had. I really recommend watching the doc. It's very good, save for a disturbing crime scene photo showing the dead kids, something I wish they would have left out. The step father is quite the character.. I must watch
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  19.  
    Originally Posted by sketchy1 View Post

    can ANYONE give me a cliff's notes on the original trial and whatnot? i read half the wiki and realized it was just about the longest wiki for a trial ever. i understand A) the three boys were accused of murdering the three younger boys and B) they were accused of doing it for satanic rituals. also understand that there was new DNA evidence that couldn't place the three boys at the scene of the crime. and one of them claims their step dad was probably responsible. what else is there and how exactly did a jury convict them when there was NO hard evidence and only some sketchy motive some DA tried to pin on them?

    Paradise Lost is definitely worth a watch. Showed them as victims of the bible belt and the system. However, I'm not convinced they were innocent. They are guilty of something imo. I do think that John Mark guy was guilty as sin.
    I can't believe they let them out.
     
  20. I also found the wiki article on this very long, but I also thought it was pretty interesting. The part about the Bojangles man was interesting and also suspicious. Sounds like the cops really dropped the ball here in basically every way possible. I don't think the 3 are necessarily innocent either (basically agree with Mr. Blonde).
  21. ok, thanks for the recommendation i'm downloading the documentary now.
  22. just watched part one, about halfway through part two. i feel strongly that they were wrongly convicted. the utter lack of physical evidence and the witch-hunt-like trial just sickens me. i can understand why people are convinced casey anthony, OJ simpson and joran what'shisname are guilty without much physical evidence, but these kids were just pressured and pushed into being the scapegoat of an obviously ignorant police force.

    holy shit, this mark byers has GOT to be guilty. he takes a cocktail of 5 anti-depressants, one being depakote, which is a powerful anti-psychotic med i am pretty sure. dude doesn't have a screw loose, he has no screws in his head whatsoever, i can't believe his head is still on his shoulders. dude is out of his mind and likely even murdered his wife.
  23. And that hauntingly creepy voice when he starts singing at church. Dude is evil.

    Best ending to this story would be if Damien gets out and murders John Byers, Terry Hobbs, and the 2 idiots he was in jail with
     
  24.  
    Originally Posted by Mr. Blonde View Post

    Paradise Lost is definitely worth a watch. Showed them as victims of the bible belt and the system. However, I'm not convinced they were innocent. They are guilty of something imo. I do think that John Mark guy was guilty as sin.
    I can't believe they let them out.

    lol. What an outlandish statement with nothing to back it up.
  25. What the Mockumentaries fail to show. Misskelley confessed after he was convicted, to his own attorney and there are transcripts available if you care to read the 74 page confession. Oh yeah Misskelley also confessed to prosecutors after he was convicted.

    http://callahan.8k.com/wm3/img2/jm_2...statement.html Misskelley confession to his own attorney after conviction

    http://callahan.8k.com/wm3/jm_feb17.html Misskelley confession to prosecutors after conviction

    Oh yeah the hair (not DNA) was found on a binding of a victim.However the binding (shoelace) could easily have been his own childs shoelace. There is no DNA such as blood from any suspect, dna under fingernails, or dna in an oriface of a victim. The bodies were submerged in a creek for 17 hours before discovery basically washing away all but two strains of DNA found on one victims shoe.

    The guilty pleas can be spun however you like, the fact is: all three were convicted in two seperate trials by 24 juriors, Then all three plead guilty to first degree murder friday. Recieved time served plus ten years suspended, with 21 year sentence imposed if they reoffend.
  26.  
    Originally Posted by AMARTIN1181 View Post

    lol. What an outlandish statement with nothing to back it up.

    which part? And the more you post the more I realize why most people here hate you
     
  27. lol. I'll hold my tongue since you're a mod. Cool story bro, sorry for disagreeing with you.
    Edited By: AMARTIN1181 Aug 21st, 2011 at 08:42 PM
  28.  
    Originally Posted by AMARTIN1181 View Post

    lol. I'll hold my tongue since you're a mod. Cool story bro, sorry for disagreeing with you.

    if ya scared, say ya scared.
  29. 48 hours mystery doing a piece on the west memphis three right now on cbs
     
  30.  
    Originally Posted by northkato View Post

    this is such a tragic situation. nothing worse than imprisoning innocent people. the case is so sketchy, and even if they are guilty, they're no more guilty than casey anthony.


    they are a lot more guilty than Casey Anthony. They were convicted and then entered Alfred pleas under this agreeement. Casey was acquitted on the murder charge. That's a huge difference.

    As to the evidence, I watched the 48 hrs special about this case last night on the West Coast feed. I would agree that the police made some errors in the investigation from the report. I watched thinking I would have liked to have seen quite a bit more on the first trials and the investigation to put everything into context. I must say that Damien doesn't strike me as someone I have a lot of sympathy for because he comes across as a con artist to me. I hope I'm wrong but it seems that a lot of the people who were involved in the case lost sight of the fact that the three real victims of the crime were the murdered little boys

     
    Originally Posted by Mr. Blonde View Post

    Paradise Lost is definitely worth a watch. Showed them as victims of the bible belt and the system. However, I'm not convinced they were innocent. They are guilty of something imo. I do think that John Mark guy was guilty as sin.
    I can't believe they let them out.


    haven't seen paradise lost and wish i had seen it before 48 hrs last night.

    I don't think they were convicted because they were in the Bible Belt. It seemed more likely that the statement of the one guy got them all convicted, directly in his case and because the jurors heard about it in the other trial. "Confessions" are incredibly hard to overcome at trial. The statement that Damien made where he was either "joking" or confessing didn't help him either. Obv the fact the prosecutor tied it to a satanic ritual didn't help them but the brutal murder of 3 little kids was bad enough on it's own. It really didn't need any embellishment

     
    Originally Posted by RicWall View Post

    What the Mockumentaries fail to show. Misskelley confessed after he was convicted, to his own attorney and there are transcripts available if you care to read the 74 page confession. Oh yeah Misskelley also confessed to prosecutors after he was convicted.

    http://callahan.8k.com/wm3/img2/jm_2...statement.html Misskelley confession to his own attorney after conviction

    http://callahan.8k.com/wm3/jm_feb17.html Misskelley confession to prosecutors after conviction

    Oh yeah the hair (not DNA) was found on a binding of a victim.However the binding (shoelace) could easily have been his own childs shoelace. There is no DNA such as blood from any suspect, dna under fingernails, or dna in an oriface of a victim. The bodies were submerged in a creek for 17 hours before discovery basically washing away all but two strains of DNA found on one victims shoe.

    The guilty pleas can be spun however you like, the fact is: all three were convicted in two seperate trials by 24 juriors, Then all three plead guilty to first degree murder friday. Recieved time served plus ten years suspended, with 21 year sentence imposed if they reoffend.

    good point about the DNA. It certainly wasn't compelling evidence as presented in the 48 hrs report. I leave the house every day with some amount of dog hair ( I have 2 golden retrievers) on parts of my body but especially my shoes. Hair gets in there and stays for a while. The step-dad having the pocket knife was much more damming to me. Of course, no motive for step-dad was given as far as I could see. The report stated they were nude but didn't say whether they were sexually assaulted. No one mentioned any previous or subsequent allegations of sexual misconduct on the step-dad's part either. That's unlikely to be something he suddenly decided to do one day.

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