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What QB would u take....(outside of the top 4)

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  1. HoldThzNutz HoldThzNutz is offline

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    Jan 18th, 2012 (1/18/2012 4:42pm)

    if u were starting a franchise and had the number 5 pick overall what QB would u take? this is assuming rodgers, brady, Eli, and brees were already drafted.

    i had this talk with a buddy the other day and said i would take stafford. he is in his early 20s still with 30-35 career starts and is really starting to come on. i really liked what i saw from him most of the year. who would u guys take? am i being a huge homer? anybody going to go with peyton for a couple years?
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    Jan 18th, 2012 (1/18/2012 4:46pm) in reply to HoldThzNutz

    Cam?
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    Jan 18th, 2012 (1/18/2012 4:47pm) in reply to HoldThzNutz

  4. SpankyHamm SpankyHamm is online now

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    Jan 18th, 2012 (1/18/2012 4:52pm) in reply to Sandman_Good

    1. Stafford
    2. Roethlisberger (only 29 y/o)
    3. Romo (31 y/o - it shocks me that he's 2 years older than Ben)
    4. Newton
    5. Matty Ice
     
  5. ugotnuts ugotnuts is offline

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    Jan 18th, 2012 (1/18/2012 4:54pm) in reply to SpankyHamm

    VICK
    if not Vick probably Cam
    Edited By: ugotnuts Jan 18th, 2012 at 05:03 PM
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    Jan 18th, 2012 (1/18/2012 4:55pm) in reply to ugotnuts



    stafford. easy choice.

    then, vick, big ben, cam, matt ryan, romo
    Edited By: shallowcal Jan 18th, 2012 at 04:57 PM
  7. kmc28 kmc28 is offline

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    Jan 18th, 2012 (1/18/2012 4:56pm) in reply to shallowcal

    Probably Cam Newton. Stafford depending on the rest of the makeup of my team. Cam can make things happen by himself, but Stafford NEEDS a WR core and other weapons around him, or he won't be successful. Obviously cam can't do everything by himself, but if I'm building a team from scratch and need to win some games NOW (which is the current trend in the NFL), I take Cam over Stafford.
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    Jan 18th, 2012 (1/18/2012 4:57pm) in reply to kmc28

    Out of the top 4?

    Eli. Yea I said it.
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    Jan 18th, 2012 (1/18/2012 4:57pm) in reply to SpankyHamm

     
    Originally Posted by SpankyHamm View Post

    1. Stafford
    2. Roethlisberger (only 29 y/o)
    3. Romo (31 y/o - it shocks me that he's 2 years older than Ben)
    4. Newton
    5. Matty Ice

    Romo was a backup to Quincy Carter...

    I'd take Rivers. One average season and he isn't an "elite" QB anymore?
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  10. shallowcal shallowcal is offline

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    Jan 18th, 2012 (1/18/2012 4:59pm) in reply to kmc28

     
    Originally Posted by kmc28 View Post

    Probably Cam Newton. Stafford depending on the rest of the makeup of my team. Cam can make things happen by himself, but Stafford NEEDS a WR core and other weapons around him, or he won't be successful. Obviously cam can't do everything by himself, but if I'm building a team from scratch and need to win some games NOW (which is the current trend in the NFL), I take Cam over Stafford.

    hmmm howd that work out for cam this year?
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    Jan 18th, 2012 (1/18/2012 5:02pm) in reply to shallowcal

     
    Originally Posted by shallowcal View Post

    hmmm howd that work out for cam this year?

    going from 1st pick in the draft -> 6-10 and losing 3 games by less than a touchdown, 2 more by exactly a touchdown, is a drastic improvement. is it not?
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    Jan 18th, 2012 (1/18/2012 5:03pm) in reply to kmc28

    I would have taken Romo, but he is included in the top 4.
  13. kmc28 kmc28 is offline

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    Jan 18th, 2012 (1/18/2012 5:04pm) in reply to Bigk975j

     
    Originally Posted by Bigk975j View Post

    I would have taken Romo, but he is included in the top 4.

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    Jan 18th, 2012 (1/18/2012 5:05pm) in reply to Dyzalot

     
    Originally Posted by Dyzalot View Post

    Romo was a backup to Quincy Carter...

    I'd take Rivers. One average season and he isn't an "elite" QB anymore?

    Brett Favre was a backup to Don Majkowski
     
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    Jan 18th, 2012 (1/18/2012 5:05pm) in reply to SpankyHamm

    it was a great season for cam. but he didnt exactly have a bunch of scrubs out there. 2 pretty decent running backs, steve smith and a couple good te's. stafford had a terrible rushing attack yet still managed to put up over 5k passing yards, in only his first full season as a starter.
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    Jan 18th, 2012 (1/18/2012 5:09pm) in reply to shallowcal

    Ben

    Rivers
    Stafford
    Cutler
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    Jan 18th, 2012 (1/18/2012 5:10pm) in reply to Unforseen

    Fairly certain the answer is Stafford with Cam being a close second. There's a drop off after that.
     
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    Jan 18th, 2012 (1/18/2012 5:11pm) in reply to winwin07

    Cutler?
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    Jan 18th, 2012 (1/18/2012 5:11pm) in reply to jcohen

    How did Rivers go from a top four QB a year ago to not even being considered as a top 5 QB now?
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    Jan 18th, 2012 (1/18/2012 5:14pm) in reply to Dyzalot

    Killa Cam.
     
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    Jan 18th, 2012 (1/18/2012 5:14pm) in reply to kmc28

     
    Originally Posted by kmc28 View Post

    Probably Cam Newton. Stafford depending on the rest of the makeup of my team. Cam can make things happen by himself, but Stafford NEEDS a WR core and other weapons around him, or he won't be successful. Obviously cam can't do everything by himself, but if I'm building a team from scratch and need to win some games NOW (which is the current trend in the NFL), I take Cam over Stafford.

    I don't doubt Megatron is the best, but there wasn't a ton of depth in receiving this year. Every pocket passing quarterback is going to need receivers, but I don't think you can argue that their receiving corps was better than middle of the league this year even with the ridiculous passing numbers. Their running game got squashed when Javid Best got hurt early in the season, so it took a while to develop additional backs. All that consideration, I'd say Stafford had a pretty amazing year.
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    Jan 18th, 2012 (1/18/2012 5:16pm) in reply to shallowcal

     
    Originally Posted by shallowcal View Post

    it was a great season for cam. but he didnt exactly have a bunch of scrubs out there. 2 pretty decent running backs, steve smith and a couple good te's. stafford had a terrible rushing attack yet still managed to put up over 5k passing yards, in only his first full season as a starter.

    Of course Cam isn't working with scrubs. I'd just prefer the versatility. With building a team from scratch, I think it allows you to do more things sooner without having to bolster other positions. Now if you give me the current Panthers, for example, and the 1st pick of the draft with the option of Cam or Stafford, I probably take Stafford. The Panthers already have a pretty solid group of skill position players. Give me the Tampa Bay Bucs, and I take Cam.
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    Jan 18th, 2012 (1/18/2012 5:18pm) in reply to kmc28

    Cutler sfobv
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    Jan 18th, 2012 (1/18/2012 5:18pm) in reply to tamayo85

    Stafford
    Cam
    Ben
    Rivers
    Ryan
    Romo
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    Jan 18th, 2012 (1/18/2012 5:22pm) in reply to Dyzalot

     
    Originally Posted by Dyzalot View Post

    How did Rivers go from a top four QB a year ago to not even being considered as a top 5 QB now?



    He's on the same skill level as Romo, imo.
    Edited By: kmc28 Jan 18th, 2012 at 05:22 PM
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    Jan 18th, 2012 (1/18/2012 5:23pm) in reply to kmc28

     
    Originally Posted by kmc28 View Post

    He's on the same skill level as Romo, imo.

    His numbers blow away Eli's and are comparable to Brady's. I would take him in the top 4 easy.
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    Jan 18th, 2012 (1/18/2012 5:25pm) in reply to Dyzalot

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    Jan 18th, 2012 (1/18/2012 5:25pm) in reply to Dyzalot

     
    Originally Posted by Dyzalot View Post

    His numbers blow away Eli's and are comparable to Brady's. I would take him in the top 4 easy.

    You do realize that numbers don't mean shit when you can't win in the playoffs, which both of the QBs you have just compared him to have done. Both have rings, and both are still alive in this year's playoffs.

    Edit: In before you say Cam & Stafford haven't won in the playoffs. I'm taking an unproven playoffs QB with great potential over proven playoff losers like Romo and Rivers.
    Edited By: kmc28 Jan 18th, 2012 at 05:27 PM
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    Jan 18th, 2012 (1/18/2012 5:27pm) in reply to kmc28

    Hey Michigan guys, the Lions had a great year. We get it, you love your future with Stafford.

    There should be a OT dumping thread for NFL QB discussions.

    GL
     
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    Jan 18th, 2012 (1/18/2012 5:29pm) in reply to B_O_K_E

    Jeff George. Still some fire in the belly.
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