First, here is a decent article by Kravitz in which he breaks down the situation as he sees it. He's been writing different versions of this for a month now.

http://www.indystar.com/article/2011...nletter-sports

Colts are now a virtual lock for the number 1 pick (they have to finish 3 - 3 and a 2 - 7 team must lose out) so now the ruminating begins.

A friend of mind wants to trade the pick for 3 more and then trade Manning for another 3. While I appreciate the balls this would take, there is no way I could justify giving up a hof'er and a potential one for 6 who knows.

It has been very apparent that Peyton might be done as a Colt and even as a football player for quite some time now. Until recently, I wanted to keep him, trade the pick, lose Wayne, draft for need, sign some free agents, and swing for one more bowl. Now, I think the team is too broken. Building through the draft worked to a certain extent until we totally blew 3 years in a row. Now we have the worst secondary in the league, shit special teams, a great D line, and an old offense.

With that said, I say we part with most of our stars, draft Luck and prepare for the future. If he is half the QB Manning was, we'll be in good shape.

WWYDOT?

Cliffs:
decent article
draft Luck
lose Manning et al
rape AFC again in 3 years

Manning will never play again, but he could be a great coach. Draft Luck and let Peyton work with him.

1. Draft Luck.

2. Profit.

3. Doesn't matter.

 

Originally Posted by XXEDPXX

draft luck and trade manning for what i can

i doubt mannings trade value is very high. cant see anybody giving up a lot for a guy with 3-4 years left at most and one bad hit away from paralysis. your friends probably overestimating his trade value.

this fo sho

I don't understand why Luck has to play Day 1. Yeah you definitely draft him, but why not go with Peyton for another year or two. Indy might be the only market where people wouldn't be falling over themselves to get Luck in ASAP. Quite frankly, Luck's career could be ruined if they tried to play him Day 1 in Indy with how bad that team is.

Bob, read that link and see what you think then.

 

Originally Posted by XXEDPXX

i doubt mannings trade value is very high. cant see anybody giving up a lot for a guy with 3-4 years left at most and one bad hit away from paralysis. your friends probably overestimating his trade value.

Really? If Manning is capable of playing next season, there's no reason to believe a team wouldn't trade 2-3 first round draft picks and a young player or two (especially some team that figures to be drafting in the bottom half of the first round). You gotta think about the upside of Manning ... what if you add Manning to the Jets? Or the Ravens? The Titans or even the Vikings? Who else that would be available could potentially transform a team instantly into a Super Bowl contender?

There's risk trading for Manning, sure. But the upside is fucking ridiculous. Football is about winning championships. What better way to roll the dice than on Peyton being healthy?

I doubt Manning wants to hang around with Luck there. i think his attitude has been if they decided to go with Luck then no hard feelings, we had a great run but its time to move on. which they would comply with out of respect. I mean that seems to me to be the line he has taken. I'd say the same thing about letting Luck sit a year or two but from what I recall hearing i dont really think thats an option. I dont think Manning wants to be that guy. I dont think he wants to play the caretaker role or whatever you wanna call it

 

Originally Posted by AMARTIN1181

Lol@ mannings trade value not being high... I'd trade the pick luck might suck

It depends on what you consider high.

 

Originally Posted by Pghfan987

Really? If Manning is capable of playing next season, there's no reason to believe a team wouldn't trade 2-3 first round draft picks and a young player or two (especially some team that figures to be drafting in the bottom half of the first round). You gotta think about the upside of Manning ... what if you add Manning to the Jets? Or the Ravens? The Titans or even the Vikings? Who else that would be available could potentially transform a team instantly into a Super Bowl contender?

There's risk trading for Manning, sure. But the upside is fucking ridiculous. Football is about winning championships. What better way to roll the dice than on Peyton being healthy?

Nobody would do that.

 

Originally Posted by XXEDPXX

Nobody would do that.

Why not? Assuming he passes a physical and is cleared to play, obviously.

First article I see when I type Peyton Manning into Google is a Peyton trade to KC hypothetical. It actually would make a lot of sense. KC has an abundance of young talent already so the draft is not an immediate need so they could afford to give up 2 firsts, 2 seconds, and another pick. It would give them some time to find a legitimate long term replacement at QB while having a chance to compete for 2-3 years if Manning is able to play again.

 

Originally Posted by XXEDPXX

cause he will be 36 years old coming off a serious neck injury. nobody is gonna give up that much for such a huge risk.

Upside, man. If he didn't have the neck issue then four years of Manning would be worth five first round draft picks. If a team like the Jets wouldn't give up their next two first round picks plus a few young players (I don't know their roster that well, no one comes to mind), then their GM should be fired for being a moron.

Literally every single NFL scout and analyst that has watched and analyzed hours and hours of Andrew Luck footage says he is the best prospect since Elway and some say even greater than Elway. I don't think any of us are in any position to disagree, and you have to put his draft value on incomplete information. Saying "he can't live up to the hype" is a huge cop-out, because you can always argue that his hype was infinite and its impossible to be "wrong".

Peyton Manning has come out and said he does not want to be a mentor to anybody, and I don't blame him. I don't exactly want to help my successor replace me faster.

Additionally, you really think sitting Andrew Luck for a few years is a good idea? What if he is capable of playing at a pro-bowl level in these first 2-3 years? You really just gonna sit him behind someone that has openly said he doesn't want to mentor anyone?

I think the only real options are

1) Move the pick and give Peyton another few years to win a championship
2) Move Peyton and give Luck 10 years to win a championship

I'd personally go with #2

 

Originally Posted by mordan

In regards to Peytons trade value I think Carson Palmer is a great barometer on what they could get...everyone thought he was done because of his elbow/lack of velocity and they still got a boatload for him...then again that was the Raiders.

It was also:
1) In the middle of the season right before the trade deadline
2) To newly reinvigorated successful young team that is not dependent on pro bowl quarterback
3) Going to a coach Carson had worked with before and is comfortable with
4) Coming from a team that had no real desire to move him unless he was overpaid for

 

Originally Posted by SCTrojans

It was also:
1) In the middle of the season right before the trade deadline
2) To newly reinvigorated successful young team that is not dependent on pro bowl quarterback
3) Going to a coach Carson had worked with before and is comfortable with
4) Coming from a team that had no real desire to move him unless he was overpaid for

It was also Carson Palmer, and we're talking about Peyton Fucking Manning.

 

Originally Posted by Pghfan987

It was also Carson Palmer, and we're talking about Peyton Fucking Manning.

I'm not doubting Peytons value, I'm doubting the Raiders Bengals trade as a good barometer.