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1. Not our soldiers and government employees-- the Thrift Saving Plan has considerable investments in Big Oil and the profits benefit their retirement.
2. Not teachers-- The National Education Association, largest teacher's union, has considerable investments in Big Oil and the profits benefit their retirement.
3. Not Firefighters-- The International Association of Firefighters has considerable investments in Big Oil and the profits benefit their retirement.
4. Not Law Enforcement-- National Union of Police and Prison Officers has considerable investments in Big Oil and the profits benefit their retirement.
5. Not Blue Collar Workers-- The AFL-CIO, the world's largest labor union, has considerable investments in Big Oil and the profits benefit their retirement.
So who is it that is complaining about Big Oil making profits? Oh, it's politicians that aren't getting their "fair share". -
I'm sure all of those people will look back when they retire and say that spending $100+ per week on gas was a worthy cause.
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no, probably not. the majority of America is fairly ignorant of how the economy works and what goes into their retirement.
but they will love spending their enormous nest eggs once they retire, and won't give a second thought to how they came about. -
ok. i'll check it out.
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what? the fed. gov. makes twice the money per gallon then the oil producers do,states make even more.
its the feds stopping domestic increased production of petroleum products that force US company's to buy crude from OPEC.
for you young puppies,the Saudis confiscated the US company's that found,drilled and brought the Mideastern reserves to production. just like Chavez in Venezuela nationalized the US companies.
for someone to call it ''big oil'' shows how ply-able their thought is,if you want to make it ad call it ''big''...
did anyone notice that in last weeks Congressional hearing with ''BIG oil'' no one ask ''how can the gov. help to bring as prices back down to $1.50''? -
why don't the call it "Big Guvment"
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Federal and state governments take about $0.80 of every gallon. Oil companies take about $0.10-$0.12 in profits. The oil industry averaged about 10.7% profit on its revenues last year. Microsoft was over 16%. Why is it a great thing when Microsoft, Google, Yahoo and My Space can make big profits, yet everyone cries when the oil companies do the same thing. Has anyone taken a look at insurance industry profits? Same thing.
Oil companies can't even open refineries in the United States anymore because of burdensome environmental and safety regulations anyone who know anything about the EPA and OSHA knows what I mean.
If you want to be pissed at something, be pissed that we have no idea what Iraq does with its billions in oil revenue yet we continue to pay for the reconstruction. What are the odds that the people in power in the new Iraqi government are taking the revenues for their own personal gain? Pretty good I'd say, as they sure are not spending it in Iraq. This is a travesty and another example of the ineptitude of our government, because it is too big. -
You're spot on as usual, except that Microsoft was tried and convicted for being too successful, and Google might be next.
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Haha. You're right. The government is always there to wield the antitrust club or some other law or regulation in the event someone is too good at what they do.
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I'd love to see a breakdown of what each player gets from every dollar spent on gasoline. Beginning from the going rate for crude, to the ships that carry it to be refined, to the refiners, to the transporters to the local gas stations. I'm guessing that THE LIONS SHARE OF WHAT YOU PAY is profits taken in the futures markets by speculators who do nothing more than make electronic trades claiming to take risks on purchases made with manipulated information.
The Windfall Profits Tax is the way to go since what's needed is refining capacity that "Big Oil" refuses to invest in. I believe that the government should tax the Oil Companies and build a couple of refinerys with the dollars collected.
Lastly, when Bush met the Saudis last week asking them to increase production, they said THE DEMAND FOR OIL DIDN'T WARRANT an increase. Does this suggest the bottleneck is in refining and in fact there is ample crude waiting in the wings? -
Yawn. Quit looking for someone to blame. If you don't like the price of gas, buy less gas.
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gas is still fucking cheap for the purpose it serves... it fucking gets you places you need to go on your own convenience...
I can drive 10 miles for the same amount it costs me to buy a soda at the gas station... that's not that bad -
I love how you intentionally quote the Saudi meeting incorrectly to support your cause. They actually did increase their output which was followed by a call from the IEA for other OPEC producing nations to do the same. As for the speculators, they do exist, but they are given way too much credit. As the Bloomberg article points out, it's an easy scapegoat to blame speculators when speaking to an uneduated public that won't do their homework. I'd suggest looking behind the scenes at what the people with the money interest, such as the Saudis, are doing. For example:
"If speculation is part of the reason oil prices are so high, then why didn't the Saudis say they are investing billions of dollars to increase production capacity to 12 million barrels daily and that they will increase exports to bring down the price and head off conservation by consuming nations?"
" May 16 (Bloomberg) -- Saudi Arabia, the world's largest oil exporter, will increase crude production next month in response to rising demand from its customers and a request by U.S. President George W. Bush to ease the strain of record prices."
To be fair, the increase wasn't a lot and prolly not significant, but it was an increase.
"audi Arabia's decision to increase oil output should be followed by other producers to curb record prices, the International Energy Agency said.
``It is far from being satisfactory enough,'' Fatih Birol, chief economist of the IEA, said in an interview at a McCloskey coal conference in Nice, France, today. ``We would like to see other countries join the efforts of Saudi Arabia and key oil producers need to make major investments to step up efforts.''
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...d=aSU1nzBoEMMc
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Ya Waco Coke used to cost a nicklel too
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oil was the original company punished by the govt for being too successful, see 'standard oil'.... Show me 'small oil'... Ticker symbol for 'big oil' too......regulations by our own government are actually what's preventing more refineries in America ftr. My mother in law works for BP and says they have wanted to build more here for some time. They did just addon to her refinery in Washington state as that is allowed but not as good as a new more efficient one from the ground up. They signifcantly increased capacity there but there are space limitations. Talk to your liberal congress people if you want to build them. The business is more complicated than a lot of other businesses and for people to understand.
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I definitely agree with your post, Steve. Every time I read about oil production, I learn something new about the process. So many variables to understand and keep up with. Obv. just follow T. Boone Pickens, the man is rarely wrong and his name is the best!
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The politicians are making their big theatrical diatribes against the oil industry's windfall profits because their constituents aren't happy about having to spend $75 to $90 or more filling up their SUV's every few days to get the kids to soccer and ballet practice.
The energy crisis represents more than just a slight problem for us. It's really not just about Joe Blow having to pay a little more for a tank of gas to get to work. Our whole society and supply/consumer system is predicated on gas (and diesel fuel) being a hell of a lot cheaper than $4 per gal.
If the government doesn't wake up and crank up some crash program to solve this energy crisis, our country is going to face hard times that will make The Great Depression look like a Sunday School picnic..... -
lmfao
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I also agree that speculation is a major problem with the price and the countries that produce oil are more than happy to roll with it and wont do a thing to make prices go down. Its heroin and we are the addicts and they know it. Oil company stock prices have leveled out or I should say topped out so hopefully that will help signal something. They keep making record earnings but the price of their stock falls? Put changes into oil speculation on the commodities market and things would decline somewhat but you can't just do that. Its a catch 22. There are too many negatives there in a so called free market society.
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I dunno about topping out. I got stopped out of a few of my USD trades recently and the USO chart is a pretty good looking chart. I know some people that have been putting on the DUG trade with no success as of yet.
http://stockcharts.com/charts/gallery.html?uso
http://stockcharts.com/charts/gallery.html?dug
http://stockcharts.com/charts/gallery.html?$usd
The USD seemed to have bottomed for a bit and the crude futures have still rallied hard since. -
would you guys get back on track? energy crisis, running out of oil, we are headed for something worse than the Great Depression, etc...
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I stopped driving in January of this year. Saving SO much money. Sold my car, etc.
Anyhow, anyone that's even remotely "okay" with the price of gas right now, IMO, is a foolish person. Naive, delusional, etc. -
even at $4/gallon gas is still cheap compared to a lot of european countries.
if gas gets to like 7 or 8 bucks a gallon, then i would start to worry. -
why? because there is some magical "correct" price of gas?
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yawn.
1 - show me that any big oil company has been making unreasonable profits over a sustained time. making billions in profits is not unreasonable if it costs you tens of billions to make those profits.
2 - if you don't like the products price, don't buy it, stop being a whiny little girl. -
lawling right beside you Waco. Since when did the government bring out a plan that solved anything?
but the point of this thread was to show who actually benefits from the profits of big oil. most people assume, because it's how media portrays it, that some rich suits are stashing all that profit. in actuality those suits income is affected by profits but only in bonuses. their pay is a cost in the budget that reduces profits. -
not really when you consider in european countries, they don't drive nearly as far as most americans do on a day to day basis. in most of europe, the infrastructure is much more condensed, and the vehicles they are using over there don't consume as much gas as a lot of the cars in the US.
Originally Posted by NUTZREALHUGE
even at $4/gallon gas is still cheap compared to a lot of european countries.
if gas gets to like 7 or 8 bucks a gallon, then i would start to worry.
so yeah, europe pays 7 8 bucks per gallon, but they consume much less, so once again, it's all relative.
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are you some left wing hippy that doesn't have a clue about business.
Originally Posted by LDM
but the point of this thread was to show who actually benefits from the profits of big oil. most people assume, because it's how media portrays it, that some rich suits are stashing all that profit. in actuality those suits income is affected by profits but only in bonuses. their pay is a cost in the budget that reduces profits.
what do you do for a job exactly??
and i'm still waiting to see what these 'profits' are as a percentage of what it costs to make those profits.












