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  1. Lord Supremo Lord Supremo is online now actually a tuvalu lord (sigh)

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    May 31st, 2008 (5/31/2008 1:37am) in reply to OSUBucks42

    Even if you don't spend it, an extra $2billion a week = an extra $104billion a year. That's a quarter of the deficit killed right there
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    May 31st, 2008 (5/31/2008 1:40am) in reply to norcaljeff

     
    Originally Posted by norcaljeff View Post

    no, just the terrorists who oppress people. not sure how "forcing" people to be free to decide their own fate could possibly be a bad thing.

    ok well i am with you on iraq, however the US has intervined when people have been free and elected not so US friendly leaders. in guatemala and iran they elected their leaders through popular election, and the CIA got involved. is that right? to get involved with the politics of another democratic society?
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    May 31st, 2008 (5/31/2008 1:43am) in reply to Lord Supremo

    use the $ for the injured vets u treat like dirt would be a good move too. Then use the rest for the future injuries when the war comes to your backyard.

    Human memory is amazing, you can get home invaded and feel paranoid for years, but eventually that wears off and you feel safe again, no need to worry about it happening ever again.... until it does, then you wish you stayed more aware and had more security and feel like a fool. Thats how the USA in general will feel if you pull out b4 its done, because Iraq will crumble pretty quickly without US presense (literally probably in a week to a month max) and in due time when something in your country, state, city, block, house, gets blown the hell up, you will be like oooo shit, at least we saved 2 billion a week son!!!
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    May 31st, 2008 (5/31/2008 1:43am) in reply to Lord Supremo

     
    Originally Posted by Lord Supremo View Post

    Even if you don't spend it, an extra $2billion a week = an extra $104billion a year. That's a quarter of the deficit killed right there

    how do you figure? $293,161,447,381.63

    that is the current deficit. thats almost 300 trillion. an extra $104 billion a year is nothing. if we are cutting stuff we don't like, lets get rid of welfare/food stamps/government housing.
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    May 31st, 2008 (5/31/2008 1:43am) in reply to norcaljeff

    If it takes 1 million years funded by imaginary dollars that we have absolutely no backing for we will be victorious!!!!

    victory = only a few americans dying a month and not total chaos
     
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    May 31st, 2008 (5/31/2008 1:44am) in reply to norcaljeff

    whoa... i guess you really are that dumb if you are fighting to provide democracy for the people of iraq while ignoring what they want. lol whoa
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    May 31st, 2008 (5/31/2008 1:44am) in reply to Necro

     
    Originally Posted by Necro View Post

    use the $ for the injured vets u treat like dirt would be a good move too. Then use the rest for the future injuries when the war comes to your backyard.

    Human memory is amazing, you can get home invaded and feel paranoid for years, but eventually that wears off and you feel safe again, no need to worry about it happening ever again.... until it does, then you wish you stayed more aware and had more security and feel like a fool. Thats how the USA in general will feel if you pull out b4 its done, because Iraq will crumble pretty quickly without US presense (literally probably in a week to a month max) and in due time when something in your country, state, city, block, house, gets blown the hell up, you will be like oooo shit, at least we saved 2 billion a week son!!!

    what????? how about we don't let the war come to our back yard! that is the worst thing i have ever heard. so lets sit back and wait til we get attacked again. THEN we can go fight the terrorists?
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    May 31st, 2008 (5/31/2008 1:45am) in reply to norcaljeff

     
    Originally Posted by norcaljeff View Post

    sorry, but how would pulling out help? b/c we'd have more borrowed money to spend?

    timetables = timetables for terrorist baby-killing pieces of crap immfo

    If this was directed at me...

    Its really simple how pulling out helps. You either have an extra $104 billion to spend on something worthwhile OR you don't spend it and insta-kill a quarter of the deficit. Win-win proposition imo
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    May 31st, 2008 (5/31/2008 1:46am) in reply to Lord Supremo

     
    Originally Posted by Lord Supremo View Post

     
    Originally Posted by norcaljeff View Post

    sorry, but how would pulling out help? b/c we'd have more borrowed money to spend?

    timetables = timetables for terrorist baby-killing pieces of crap immfo

    If this was directed at me...

    Its really simple how pulling out helps. You either have an extra $104 billion to spend on something worthwhile OR you don't spend it and insta-kill a quarter of the deficit. Win-win proposition imo

    $104 billion is not a quarter of the defiect. maybe for the financial year, but overall its $300 trillian.
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    May 31st, 2008 (5/31/2008 1:47am) in reply to tekiller

    looool what is they want? to be oppressed? link? let me know. guess the millions voting (higher % than us btmfw) were just kidding?
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    May 31st, 2008 (5/31/2008 1:48am) in reply to 36crazyfists

    I'm a what now? link? I'll wait. loooooooooooooooool!!!!!!!!! no, cereally, one shred of evidence is all I ask! I'm sure you can provide it, as you aren't a lying pussy. right?
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    May 31st, 2008 (5/31/2008 1:49am) in reply to 36crazyfists

    make sense much? no? I know
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    May 31st, 2008 (5/31/2008 1:49am) in reply to norcaljeff

    when was their a vote on whether iraqis want us there or not? link pls
    all i have heard is polling numbers that say 70% want us to gtfo
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    May 31st, 2008 (5/31/2008 1:50am) in reply to OSUBucks42

    good point. 50 years ago we did eff up. our bad immfo
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    May 31st, 2008 (5/31/2008 1:51am) in reply to Lord Supremo

    wait, but the dems (now) claim deficit spending is bad. so it's good if it's for something "good"?
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    May 31st, 2008 (5/31/2008 1:52am) in reply to OSUBucks42

     
    Originally Posted by OSUBucks42 View Post

     
    Originally Posted by Lord Supremo View Post


    Even if you don't spend it, an extra $2billion a week = an extra $104billion a year. That's a quarter of the deficit killed right there

    how do you figure? $293,161,447,381.63

    that is the current deficit. thats almost 300 trillion. an extra $104 billion a year is nothing. if we are cutting stuff we don't like, lets get rid of welfare/food stamps/government housing.

    Oh my head...

    Read your number again and get back to me
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    May 31st, 2008 (5/31/2008 1:54am) in reply to norcaljeff

    Another norcal 50+ political post.

    standard
     
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    May 31st, 2008 (5/31/2008 1:55am) in reply to OSUBucks42

    No.

    The number you cited at me was 293 billion 161 million 447 thousand 381 dollars and 63 cents
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    May 31st, 2008 (5/31/2008 1:55am) in reply to randomfrost

     
    Originally Posted by randomfrost View Post

     
    Originally Posted by norcaljeff View Post

    What possible mfgood can come from us retreating?

    Oh, I don't know, maybe the lives of hundreds of thousands of human beings?

    hundreds of thousands of lives? where are you getting that number?
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    May 31st, 2008 (5/31/2008 1:56am) in reply to norcaljeff

    you're right one day we will be victorious and it will def be worth it.
     
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    May 31st, 2008 (5/31/2008 1:59am) in reply to norcaljeff

    I'm not in favor of a huge amount deficit spending but I think if we're going to do it we may as well spend on something worthwhile.

    I am in favor of a moderate (maybe about $100 billion or a little less) government deficit, however. PM Alexander Hamilton for details on why
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    May 31st, 2008 (5/31/2008 2:01am) in reply to Lord Supremo

    billion/trillion its all the same. not going to do much. we will never have a balanced budget again. but if we pulled out of iraq, its not like they are going to divert those funds to scholarships or whatever. it would just be money not spent. kill the terrorists imo
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    May 31st, 2008 (5/31/2008 2:02am) in reply to badmagik

    sorry, rf posts only 2wice a day, and usually it's two awesomely funny posts. gg us immfo
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    May 31st, 2008 (5/31/2008 2:07am) in reply to 36crazyfists

    exactly. ty for being rational.
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    May 31st, 2008 (5/31/2008 2:09am) in reply to OSUBucks42

    we should spend less imo. but some think 1 trill (allegedly) is worse than the 30 trill SS deficit. perspective, I guess.
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    May 31st, 2008 (5/31/2008 2:10am) in reply to norcaljeff

    zomg when jeff uses the word "perspective" a chill goes down my spine, lol
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    May 31st, 2008 (5/31/2008 2:13am) in reply to OSUBucks42

     
    Originally Posted by OSUBucks42 View Post


    billion/trillion its all the same. not going to do much. we will never have a balanced budget again. but if we pulled out of iraq, its not like they are going to divert those funds to scholarships or whatever. it would just be money not spent. kill the terrorists imo

    Jeeeeeeeeeeesus christ. Since you went to OSU I never pegged you as a genius but good lord.

    First of all a billion and a trillion are not the same. A trillion is 1,000 times more than a billion

    Second, if the number you cited, 293 billion, is correct, then $104billion represents a little more than 1/3 of that deficit.

    Now here comes the tricky part. If we pulled out of Iraq and didn't "divert the funds to scholarships or whatever" as you put it, then what happens to national spending? It goes down. Now if we reduce spending by $104billion and hold revenue constant, what happens to the deficit?????

    Please don't make me finish that for you.
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    May 31st, 2008 (5/31/2008 2:15am) in reply to Lord Supremo

     
    Originally Posted by Lord Supremo View Post

     
    Originally Posted by OSUBucks42 View Post


    billion/trillion its all the same. not going to do much. we will never have a balanced budget again. but if we pulled out of iraq, its not like they are going to divert those funds to scholarships or whatever. it would just be money not spent. kill the terrorists imo

    Jeeeeeeeeeeesus christ. Since you went to OSU I never pegged you as a genius but good lord.

    First of all a billion and a trillion are not the same. A trillion is 1,000 times more than a billion

    Second, if the number you cited, 293 billion, is correct, then $104billion represents a little more than 1/3 of that deficit.

    Now here comes the tricky part. If we pulled out of Iraq and didn't "divert the funds to scholarships or whatever" as you put it, then what happens to national spending? It goes down. Now if we reduce spending by $104billion and hold revenue constant, what happens to the deficit?????

    Please don't make me finish that for you.

    sorry drinking, but still deficit is not going away no matter what you do unless you get rid of everything which wont happen. just a fact.
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    May 31st, 2008 (5/31/2008 2:17am) in reply to OSUBucks42

    so we can't fix it give up? that sounds american
    we could fix it with the proper leaders returning to the proper role of gov't.
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