Ann Romney, the wife of Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney, told a Nevada television station her main concern if her husband wins the upcoming election would be over his state of mind.

Nice to know that a man that could hold the power of our nuclear arsenal could be mentally unstable.

I would love to see the comparison go a step further, and have the anti-tax people try to secede and form an army and try to figure out how they are paying for their army. Hilarity ensues....

 

Originally Posted by AmSlim22

Would you prefer the private police station knocks on your door once a month for a bill, don't close the door tho bc the fireman bill collector just came and the teacher guy, the military guy, and I also see the intelligence, homeland security, NASA, road, bridge, and tunnel guys too.

Might as well just leave the door open. Of course then you may actually be robbed, instead of just being part of a first world country.

Good job simplifying taxes to their only real worth with the things taxes are good for. I would prefer to close the door on the welfare, food stamp, foreign aid and free cell phone guys.

in a taxless society no portion of my income would be sent to people zambia or afghanistan. so it's got that going for it.

 

Originally Posted by XquiziVex

Good job simplifying taxes to their only real worth with the things taxes are good for. I would prefer to close the door on the welfare, food stamp, foreign aid and free cell phone guys.

Again while I am all for welfare/entitlement reform, there is real and practical value in having those programs.

Unless you just want to pay the dead body removal tax and be done with it.

The responses to the quote I posted are so telling, it's such a simple idea. Which is more moral, wanting to keep what is yours or wanting to take from somebody else. All the defensive responses show that you know which is moral and which isn't.

 

Originally Posted by AmSlim22

Stop putting an invisible me in a chair and arguing with that perception of me. I'm right here, we can talk it out if you want.

alrite. so you're saying we need to make sure we continue to pay off foreign adversaries by the form of foreign aid, which takes from our own people, to give to the usually oppressive leaders to keep for themselves and starve their own people? And that helps me how?

 

Originally Posted by krispycream

alrite. so you're saying we need to make sure we continue to pay off foreign adversaries by the form of foreign aid, which takes from our own people, to give to the usually oppressive leaders to keep for themselves and starve their own people? And that helps me how?

Again it is complex and I'm not even 100% sure.

I would hope it was spent in a way that provided some stabilization to the area and that could be in our nations interest.

I would guess there is $ spent on foreign aid that I am in agreement with and other $ that I am not. For instance I am not for supporting dictators just to stabilize a region we conduct trade with even tho it may be financially beneficial. I would rather let people in other countries be able to take care of themselves.

On the other hand I am for stopping tyrants from slaughtering the people who are opposing them and find it morally worthwhile to support such a cause.

So I guess the most direct value is in some stabilization, less direct would be in just the idea of being able to help out. And I am sure there are plenty of cases where I would rather have spent the money here instead of as aid to another country.

this pie in the sky concept of goodwill really needs to stop. you can't base foreign policy on "well, im sure some things are good, and some things are bad, but i'm sure some of billions we send over goes to something good". I'm sure some of it does get good use. But you can't run the system like that. If we wrote a million dollar check to a methhead, I'm sure some of that money would go to good use, maybe he would help his friends out, pay off bills, maybe get his mom a nice car. then he blows the other $800k on more meth. Is the $1m justified by you?

got meth on my mind, just got into breaking bad.

 

Originally Posted by krispycream

this pie in the sky concept of goodwill really needs to stop. you can't base foreign policy on "well, im sure some things are good, and some things are bad, but i'm sure some of billions we send over goes to something good". I'm sure some of it does get good use. But you can't run the system like that. If we wrote a million dollar check to a methhead, I'm sure some of that money would go to good use, maybe he would help his friends out, pay off bills, maybe get his mom a nice car. then he blows the other $800k on more meth. Is the $1m justified by you?

got meth on my mind, just got into breaking bad.

Of course I would not consider that money to be well spent.

U can run the system to do something like pay for some classes for the meth-head or give him a little bit of food and hope that doing that will lead to you not having to pay for that guy to go to the emergency room, then pay for him to go to jail and whatever else.

And there is some number that type of program needs to help for it to be cost effective.

 

Originally Posted by AmSlim22

The slave should have just left the master if he didn't like his 100% tax rate.

You act like moving to a different country only involves buying a plane ticket. If I renounce my US citizenship on the basis of taxation I'm on the hook for taxes for 10 years.

 

Originally Posted by AmSlim22

U do realize that you receive something in exchange for your taxes. You can argue over if you are receiving a fair value for your tax dollar, but to compare it to slavery gets a little dramatic.

The slave receives food, healthcare, shelter, clothing, etc. basically everything a human needs to survive.

 

Originally Posted by time4badbeat

The slave receives food, healthcare, shelter, clothing, etc. basically everything a human needs to survive.

Sounds like a pretty happy life the slaves had.

 

Originally Posted by Shaaarrrp

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/...-obama/262861/

wow harsh facts, not a deal breaker if you need a cell phone

 

Originally Posted by littleze

you can't compare taxation to slavery because with slavery they had to work to get the benefits.

Lol this post is amazing. Almost as good as the slaves were happy to be slaves comment

 

Originally Posted by time4badbeat

The comparison is totally accurate.

Taxes: I work and some of the fruits of my labor are taken by the government (by force), in return I'm provided roads, police, fire, infrastructure, etc.

Slavery: The slave works and their labor is taken by the master (by force), in return the master provides food, shelter, clothing, etc.

It's a totally accurate comparison - Slavery is taxation with a 100% rate.

BTW - I know it's not practical to have zero taxes but I'm more in favor of use taxes or at the very least a lower rate.