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The Wildcat: why is the QB out there?

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  1. lilOUmikey lilOUmikey is offline

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    Nov 23rd, 2009 (11/23/2009 12:29pm)

    Something i've been thinking about regarding the wildcat, why is the starting QB always on the field for the play? Does there have to be a "Quarterback" on the field on every offensive possession? I just find it kind of retarded to not have an extra skill position player rather then a QB to just take up space because lets be serious the chances of a double pass happening/working are very slim.

    Am i missing something here?
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    Nov 23rd, 2009 (11/23/2009 12:32pm) in reply to lilOUmikey

    bc if teams run the QB off then the Def knows what is coming. if they huddle the same and then break the huddle in the wildcat, the Def has less time to respond and align.
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    Nov 23rd, 2009 (11/23/2009 12:32pm) in reply to Cmoney3

    when the team huddles up, they don't usually give away their formation. butttt, if you were to notice the QB run off and and extra WR or RB trot on, then it might give defenses a chance to substitute to a more run heavy defense. thats all i can think of. i mean, that way if they decide to not run it the next play, the can always quick snap or run some kind of no huddle with the QB back behind center.
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    Nov 23rd, 2009 (11/23/2009 12:33pm) in reply to StevieD561

    yah there needs to be threat that the rb can toss it back to the qb for a pass
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    Nov 23rd, 2009 (11/23/2009 12:34pm) in reply to StevieD561

    pretty much been said but the defense gets the last sub in
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    Nov 23rd, 2009 (11/23/2009 12:34pm) in reply to Cmoney3

     
    Originally Posted by Cmoney3 View Post

    bc if teams run the QB off then the Def knows what is coming. if they huddle the same and then break the huddle in the wildcat, the Def has less time to respond and align.

    So when Ricky Williams lines up right behind center, the other team doesn't know what's coming? LOL.
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    Nov 23rd, 2009 (11/23/2009 12:34pm) in reply to lilOUmikey

     
    Originally Posted by lilOUmikey View Post

    why is the starting QB always on the field for the play?

    Counterexample:

    McNabb starts for the Eagles, yet when they throw some wildcat out there, Vick is the QB.
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    Nov 23rd, 2009 (11/23/2009 12:36pm) in reply to StunnaShades

     
    Originally Posted by StunnaShades View Post

    So when Ricky Williams lines up right behind center, the other team doesn't know what's coming? LOL.

    When Ricky Williams comes up behind center the defense doesn't get a chance to make substitutions. Big difference. NFL is all about what personnell you have on the field.
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    Nov 23rd, 2009 (11/23/2009 12:38pm) in reply to MikeJones06

     
    Originally Posted by MikeJones06 View Post


    Counterexample:

    McNabb starts for the Eagles, yet when they throw some wildcat out there, Vick is the QB.

    Same with Pat White, they know its the wildcat, so the eagles and dolphins think they are that much better at it then the rest of the league? Josh Cribbs (Cleveland homer) could do the same thing but brady fucking quinn is still lined up at WR
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    Nov 23rd, 2009 (11/23/2009 12:39pm) in reply to Futon

    thx bob
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    Nov 23rd, 2009 (11/23/2009 12:42pm) in reply to lilOUmikey

     
    Originally Posted by lilOUmikey View Post

     
    Originally Posted by MikeJones06 View Post


    Counterexample:

    McNabb starts for the Eagles, yet when they throw some wildcat out there, Vick is the QB.

    Same with Pat White, they know its the wildcat, so the eagles and dolphins think they are that much better at it then the rest of the league? Josh Cribbs (Cleveland homer) could do the same thing but brady fucking quinn is still lined up at WR

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    Nov 23rd, 2009 (11/23/2009 12:54pm) in reply to MikeJones06

    Has anyone set up in the wildcat and then ran an end-around to the quarterback and had him throw? If not, is there some reason this wouldn't work as a trick play?
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    Nov 23rd, 2009 (11/23/2009 12:54pm) in reply to LoveHatePoker

    I think only in Madden
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    Nov 23rd, 2009 (11/23/2009 12:55pm) in reply to LoveHatePoker

     
    Originally Posted by LoveHatePoker View Post

    Has anyone set up in the wildcat and then ran an end-around to the quarterback and had him throw?

    No. Usually the QB just runs to the sideline away from the action to avoid injury.
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    Nov 23rd, 2009 (11/23/2009 12:57pm) in reply to StunnaShades

     
    Originally Posted by StunnaShades View Post

    No. Usually the QB just runs to the sideline away from the action to avoid injury.

    how are you still posting?
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    Nov 23rd, 2009 (11/23/2009 12:57pm) in reply to MikeJones06

    Cleveland should probably stick to working on regular passing before they start resorting to tricks... Cribbs has thrown 2 balls, one was picked, both looked awful.

    Cleveland's leading receiver has 25 receptions on the year and, after 10 games, they only have 3 guys with more catches on the season than Wes Welker had yesterday... that's gross...

    Can't Philly and the Dolphins just level people with Vick and Pat White? They obviously aren't as good as their starters, but they can still throw the ball... it's really all about deception.
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    Nov 23rd, 2009 (11/23/2009 1:01pm) in reply to Futon

     
    Originally Posted by Bob Futon View Post

    how are you still posting?

    How are you still not getting this? The OP makes good point. It isn't a trick play if no one on the defense is getting tricked.
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    Nov 23rd, 2009 (11/23/2009 1:08pm) in reply to StunnaShades

    I obv understand why the QB is in and laughed my ass off at Stunna's first question, but.... U can only have 12 in the huddle right? So when huddle breaks the QB can sprint off the field and some one is waiting on the side line to take his spot. Not sure if thats tech against the rules, any one know??

    If who ever is in the huddle must play the play then yea, QB HAS to be in other wise the offense might as well just tell the D what play they are running...
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    Nov 23rd, 2009 (11/23/2009 1:09pm) in reply to lilOUmikey

    The responses in this thread present a perfect example of why I post less and less in this forum. It's just too tilting to even deal with such idiocy.
     
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    Nov 23rd, 2009 (11/23/2009 1:12pm) in reply to marinersheep

     
    Originally Posted by marinersheep View Post

    The responses in this thread present a perfect example of why I post less and less in this forum. It's just too tilting to even deal with such idiocy.

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    Nov 23rd, 2009 (11/23/2009 1:17pm) in reply to StunnaShades

     
    Originally Posted by StunnaShades View Post

    How are you still not getting this? The OP makes good point. It isn't a trick play if no one on the defense is getting tricked.

    To respond to Boondock you can't have 12 men in the huddle.

    To respond to you (not even sure why I'm bothering) when the Dolphins had Ronnie Brown they weren't running it for trickery. They ran it because they're a power football team and it created a numbers issue with the defense. especially since Brown was capable of throwing the ball.

    But hey I'm sure NFL teams aren't paying attention to who is subbing in and out of the game.
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    Nov 23rd, 2009 (11/23/2009 1:18pm) in reply to lilOUmikey

    Question's been answered no need for further flaming of anyone else or eachother

    can't we all just get along!?
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    Nov 23rd, 2009 (11/23/2009 1:21pm) in reply to lilOUmikey

    so 11 then... wasnt really the number that mattered... I got that wrong, sorry. It was more of subbing the QB last second. Thats all
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    Nov 23rd, 2009 (11/23/2009 1:23pm) in reply to boondock11

     
    Originally Posted by boondock11 View Post

    so 11 then... wasnt really the number that mattered... I got that wrong, sorry. It was more of subbing the QB last second. Thats all

    The defense has to have the last sub. There are very specific substitution rules in the NFL. Point is it would be really obivous if the QB was being subbed for. It's not like you can sneak him off the field.
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    Nov 23rd, 2009 (11/23/2009 1:25pm) in reply to lilOUmikey

    gotta admit watching pennington split out wide is pretty priceless.
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    Nov 23rd, 2009 (11/23/2009 1:26pm) in reply to Futon

    right on... In the back of my mind I new the O couldnt sub last second and U cant have more then 11 in the huddle ect. But I thought I would ask any way. Thought it would help the OP and others to didnt get it understand things a bit more.
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    Nov 23rd, 2009 (11/23/2009 1:26pm) in reply to Reech

    Sanchez did it yesterday and the Jets had Brad Smith in. I think it was like a 3 yard loss on the run
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    Nov 23rd, 2009 (11/23/2009 1:35pm) in reply to Futon

     
    Originally Posted by Bob Futon View Post

     
    Originally Posted by StunnaShades View Post

    No. Usually the QB just runs to the sideline away from the action to avoid injury.

    how are you still posting?

    Ohhhh, I get it now...

    Hiiiiiiiiiiiiii
     
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    Nov 23rd, 2009 (11/23/2009 1:37pm) in reply to marinersheep

     
    Originally Posted by marinersheep View Post


    Ohhhh, I get it now...

    Hiiiiiiiiiiiiii

    Where do you have the Chargers? They're 7-3 and going to easily go to 9-3 before having to travel to Big D where I think they could win as well. Sleeper #2 seed in the AFC especially if the knock off the Bengals later in the year. They've just beat the giants, eagles and now broncos but i still feel like they aren't that great.
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    Nov 23rd, 2009 (11/23/2009 1:40pm) in reply to Futon

     
    Originally Posted by Bob Futon View Post

    Where do you have the Chargers? They're 7-3 and going to easily go to 9-3 before having to travel to Big D where I think they could win as well. Sleeper #2 seed in the AFC especially if the knock off the Bengals later in the year. They've just beat the giants, eagles and now broncos but i still feel like they aren't that great.

    I don't have the Chargers running the Wildcat. Yes, L.T. has thrown TD passes in in past seasons, but their offense has enough weapons with Gates, Jackson, Sproles, Tomlinson, etc... to not have to resort to the Wildcat offesne.

    They can beat those teams without changing offense.
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