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  1. http://www.aolnews.com/2011/03/09/wi...ve-bargaining/

    MADISON, Wis. -- Republicans in the Wisconsin Senate voted Wednesday night to strip nearly all collective bargaining rights from public workers after discovering a way to bypass the chamber's missing Democrats.

    All 14 Senate Democrats fled to Illinois nearly three weeks ago, preventing the chamber from having enough members present to consider Gov. Scott Walker's so-called "budget repair bill" - a proposal introduced to plug a $137 million budget shortfall.

    The Senate requires a quorum to take up any measures that spend money. But Republicans on Wednesday split from the legislation the proposal to curtail union rights, which spends no money, and a special conference committee of state lawmakers approved the bill a short time later.

    The lone Democrat present on the conference committee, Rep. Tony Barca, shouted that the surprise meeting was a violation of the state's open meetings law but Republicans voted over his objections. The Senate then convened within minutes and passed it without discussion or debate.

    Spectators in the gallery screamed "You are cowards."

    Before the sudden votes, Democratic Sens. Bob Jauch said if Republicans "chose to ram this bill through in this fashion, it will be to their political peril. They're changing the rules. They will inflame a very frustrated public."
  2. lol

    one party runs away so that due process will not proceed

    then

    the other party finds language in the state constitution to allow them to move forward with certain legislation because it does not affect spending

    both sides...

    fail
  3.  
    Originally Posted by jesterwords View Post

    lol

    one party runs away so that due process will not proceed

    then

    the other party finds language in the state constitution to allow them to move forward with certain legislation because it does not affect spending

    both sides...

    fail

    exactly haha
  4. Remember the HEalth care bill passing with tricks of Reconciliation? I guess two can play at that game.

    Pretty gross that the Dummycat chicken shits went to IL. THIS IS AWESOME!!!
  5. LOL
     
  6. the shitstorm is growing

  7. this type of thuggery isn't surprising, seeing as how it comes from the gop. it's doubtful that this will be able to stand as the dems didn't receive 24 hours notice which is apparently a legislative (open meetings) law. it was an illegal meeting and a very bizarre scene.
  8. So does this force the unions into strike mode? Can't they just shut things down with a strike?
  9. so its not fiscal? but this isnt about union busting? but its about balancing the budget?
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  10. and yet, the democrats denying due process is perfectly legal, and justified

    awesome

    weeeeeeeeeeeee

     
    Originally Posted by tekiller View Post

    the shitstorm is growing

    Why is the shitstorm always over Pittsburg and Buffalo?
  11.  
    Originally Posted by pistol45 View Post

    So does this force the unions into strike mode? Can't they just shut things down with a strike?


    could i think, dunno really but it will hurt them public view from the we care about your kids to, f your kids where's our money
  12.  
    Originally Posted by tekiller View Post

    could i think, dunno really but it will hurt them public view from the we care about your kids to, f your kids where's our money

    oh my goodness, that was incredibly funny!
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  14.  
    Originally Posted by tekiller View Post

    could i think, dunno really but it will hurt them public view from the we care about your kids to, f your kids where's our money

    Did this bill only impact teachers? I got the impression they were stripping collective bargaining rights from almost all public workers. If that is the case, a strike could shut down virtually all public services.
  15. Why are the Dems still in Illinois?
     
  16.  
    Originally Posted by above_films View Post

    this type of thuggery isn't surprising, seeing as how it comes from the gop. it's doubtful that this will be able to stand as the dems didn't receive 24 hours notice which is apparently a legislative (open meetings) law. it was an illegal meeting and a very bizarre scene.

    How is it thuggery? Seems to me the came up with a bill and passed it. They can pass any non-spending bill without the Democrats present. Should the gvt. shut down cause some in the senate went on holiday?
  17.  
    Originally Posted by gamma21 View Post

    Why are the Dems still in Illinois?

    chance it wont hold up.

     
    Originally Posted by RichardHurtz View Post

    How is it thuggery? Seems to me the came up with a bill and passed it. They can pass any non-spending bill without the Democrats present. Should the gvt. shut down cause some in the senate went on holiday?

    why are they stripping collective bargaining rights in the first place then?
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  18.  
    Originally Posted by RichardHurtz View Post

    How is it thuggery? Seems to me the came up with a bill and passed it. They can pass any non-spending bill without the Democrats present. Should the gvt. shut down cause some in the senate went on holiday?

    Several states have laws that require a period of public notice before assembling to prevent secret/closed meetings. I just learned about this the other day as a coworker is a city council member and has to abide by these rules. I would think that a normal day of state assembly would already qualify as having the appropriate notice.
  19.  
    Originally Posted by pistol45 View Post

    Did this bill only impact teachers? I got the impression they were stripping collective bargaining rights from almost all public workers. If that is the case, a strike could shut down virtually all public services.


    in wisconsin think it was only teachers and nurses maybe think police fire were left out meh i could be wrong
  20.  
    Originally Posted by tekiller View Post

    in wisconsin think it was only teachers and nurses maybe think police fire were left out meh i could be wrong

    all except police and fireman.
    Thread Starter
  21. Federal employees don't have collective bargaining.

    Just sayin
     
  22.  
    Originally Posted by Schlik20 View Post

    all except police and fireman.

    Who conveniently backed the current governor during his election, self interest exemptions FTL.

    What else makes this crazy is they were insisting this WHOLE FUCKING TIME it was to plug a budget hole and than got this passed because it's not "fiscal"

    ...how the fuck?

     
    Originally Posted by winwin07 View Post

    Federal employees don't have collective bargaining.

    Just sayin

    Air traffic controllers disagree
    Edited By: gotcha Mar 10th, 2011 at 04:54 AM
  23. boom shucka lucka, thats how we do it in WI

    glad they passed it with those pussys leaving the state, fukk them
  24.  
    Originally Posted by penileinfection View Post

    boom shucka lucka, thats how we do it in WI

    glad they passed it with those pussys leaving the state, fukk them

    you sound very proud that your conservative representative blatantly broke the law of the state. in all likelihood the only thing they accomplished was underscore the need and desire for recalls of those who supported the tyranny witnessed with that vote.
  25. I bet if we throw above_films in the lake, she'll float. Just saying.
  26.  
    Originally Posted by above_films View Post

    you sound very proud that your conservative representative blatantly broke the law of the state. in all likelihood the only thing they accomplished was underscore the need and desire for recalls of those who supported the tyranny witnessed with that vote.

    Does anyone really know that they broke the law? This keeps being reported by people like Rachel Maddow, but this is the same woman that claimed Wisconsin has a budget surplus. Would you have been cool with members of the GOP fleeing their posts to prevent a vote even taking place on Obamacare if that was an option? I wonder what would be said if members of the US Senate bolted to Mexico or Canada because they didn't like a bill that was being proposed.

    I'm getting a kick out of people going ballistic over the notice thing when the Dem State Senators willingly decided to leave the state they were elected to represent.
    Edited By: gamma21 Mar 10th, 2011 at 06:29 AM
     
  27.  
    Originally Posted by emcee21 View Post

    I bet if we throw above_films in the lake, she'll float. Just saying.

    thats is some good stuff. got me laughing.
  28.  
    Originally Posted by penileinfection View Post

    boom shucka lucka, thats how we do it in WI

    glad they passed it with those pussys leaving the state, fukk them

    i'm pretty sure what the democrats did makes them NOT pussies. jus sayin.
  29.  
    Originally Posted by yardle View Post

    i'm pretty sure what the democrats did makes them NOT pussies. jus sayin.

    running from problems is definitely not a pussy move. get real dude. they didnt want to try to compromise first, they didnt want discussion, they ran. and they ran because they didnt have a majority. suck it up