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A woman's right to choose...

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  1. Dyzalot Dyzalot is offline

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    Jan 25th, 2012 (1/25/2012 4:33am)

    ... a gun?.. or an abortion?

     

    Members of the General Assembly seem to have some kind of disassociative disorder. When a woman walks into a gun store, socially conservative legislators like Cole treat her as rational, well informed, and fully capable of making her own decisions without a lot of bureaucratic red tape. But if the same woman walks into an abortion clinic, suddenly shes an addled dimwit who hasnt given her decision two seconds thought, and somebody needs to make her.

    http://reason.com/archives/2012/01/2...e-people-think

    Another way to look at the logical "silliness" of the left/right paradigm and the idea of "freedom of choice".
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    Jan 25th, 2012 (1/25/2012 4:37am) in reply to Dyzalot

    lol @ comparing buying a gun to killing your unborn child.

    Come on, man!
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    Jan 25th, 2012 (1/25/2012 4:41am) in reply to OneM24

     
    Originally Posted by OneM24 View Post

    lol @ comparing buying a gun to killing your unborn child.

    Come on, man!

    You're missing the point.
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    Jan 25th, 2012 (1/25/2012 4:46am) in reply to Realbigfish4

     
    Originally Posted by Realbigfish4 View Post

    You're missing the point.

    No, I get the point. I just think a better comparison could be made. This won't turn into a debate about legislating whether you can force people to make better decisions. This will turn into what my first post states.
  5. zeppelinzoso16 zeppelinzoso16 is offline world traveler

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    Jan 25th, 2012 (1/25/2012 4:50am) in reply to OneM24

    Guns do not kill people, women with guns do.
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    Jan 25th, 2012 (1/25/2012 4:52am) in reply to OneM24

     
    Originally Posted by OneM24 View Post

    No, I get the point. I just think a better comparison could be made. This won't turn into a debate about legislating whether you can force people to make better decisions. This will turn into what my first post states.

    Only b/c of responses like your first. If you understood the point you wouldnt have wasted your time or the time of the time of the readers of this thread with pointless drivel.

    If you understand the point and disagree, state why. No need to push the thread down the wrong road unless you dont think your facts and/or beliefs are strong enough to sway the conversation and ideals of other in your direction.
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    Jan 25th, 2012 (1/25/2012 4:53am) in reply to OneM24

     
    Originally Posted by OneM24 View Post

    No, I get the point. I just think a better comparison could be made. This won't turn into a debate about legislating whether you can force people to make better decisions. This will turn into what my first post states.

    I think the comparision is simple. They both can be argued to result in the loss of human life.
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    Jan 25th, 2012 (1/25/2012 4:59am) in reply to Realbigfish4

     
    Originally Posted by Realbigfish4 View Post

    Only b/c of responses like your first. If you understood the point you wouldnt have wasted your time or the time of the time of the readers of this thread with pointless drivel.

    If you understand the point and disagree, state why. No need to push the thread down the wrong road unless you dont think your facts and/or beliefs are strong enough to sway the conversation and ideals of other in your direction.

    The comparison itself is pointless drivel, because choosing to buy a gun does not automatically = death of a person. Choosing an abortion does.

    The comparison aside, this type of legislation is ridiculous. It shouldn't ever be voted on, much less voted in favor of.
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    Jan 25th, 2012 (1/25/2012 5:03am) in reply to OneM24

     
    Originally Posted by Article

    gun buyers are just walking blends of testosterone and nitroglycerine, ready to explode at the slightest nudge

    haha sounds about right
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    Jan 25th, 2012 (1/25/2012 5:41am) in reply to OneM24

     
    Originally Posted by OneM24 View Post

    The comparison itself is pointless drivel, because choosing to buy a gun does not automatically = death of a person. Choosing an abortion does.

    The comparison aside, this type of legislation is ridiculous. It shouldn't ever be voted on, much less voted in favor of.

    curious on ur defn of person?
     
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    Jan 25th, 2012 (1/25/2012 6:19am) in reply to zeppelinzoso16

     
    Originally Posted by zeppelinzoso16 View Post

    Guns do not kill people, women with guns do.

    no...it's the bullets.
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    Jan 25th, 2012 (1/25/2012 6:28am) in reply to OldGrowth

     
    Originally Posted by OldGrowth View Post

    no...it's the bullets.

    its actually the force applied to the bullets by the gun powder.
     
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    Jan 25th, 2012 (1/25/2012 6:31am) in reply to AmSlim22

     
    Originally Posted by AmSlim22 View Post

    its actually the force applied to the bullets by the gun powder.

    It's actually the wound inflicted by the bullet
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    Jan 25th, 2012 (1/25/2012 6:44am) in reply to Realbigfish4

     
    Originally Posted by Realbigfish4 View Post

    It's actually the wound inflicted by the bullet

    It's actually the location of the wound
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    Jan 25th, 2012 (1/25/2012 6:46am) in reply to darkpoker12

    it's actually society
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    Jan 25th, 2012 (1/25/2012 7:03am) in reply to warden

    there is no spoon.
     
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    Jan 25th, 2012 (1/25/2012 7:25am) in reply to warden

     
    Originally Posted by warden View Post

    it's actually society

    It's actually people that were forced into this world b/c of anti-abortion laws that go postal.
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    Jan 25th, 2012 (1/25/2012 7:28am) in reply to Realbigfish4

    Yup, better to abort them in the womb before they become murderers
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    Jan 25th, 2012 (1/25/2012 7:37am) in reply to OneM24

     
    Originally Posted by OneM24 View Post

    The comparison itself is pointless drivel, because choosing to buy a gun does not automatically = death of a person. Choosing an abortion does.

    The comparison aside, this type of legislation is ridiculous. It shouldn't ever be voted on, much less voted in favor of.

    this, completely LOL comparison regardless of what side you're on. one is a right to protect yourself which could in the future lead to the death of someone. the other is the choice to 100% murder something
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    Jan 25th, 2012 (1/25/2012 7:39am) in reply to BetzPH

    Might as well compare abortions to allowing kids to drink unpasteurized milk. The analogy in the OP is inane.
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    Jan 25th, 2012 (1/25/2012 8:25am) in reply to BetzPH

     
    Originally Posted by BetzPH View Post

    this, completely LOL comparison regardless of what side you're on. one is a right to protect yourself which could in the future lead to the death of someone. the other is the choice to 100% murder something

    i still think people are kinda missing the point.

    raise ur hand if u read the article....
     
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    Jan 25th, 2012 (1/25/2012 8:44am) in reply to AmSlim22

    What if it's the same woman? First she goes to a gun store (or wherever the hell you buy them) to buy a gun and get's treat as perfectly sane and reasonable, then she goes to the abortion clinic round the corner and wants an abortion but is treat as mentally unstable. The checks and balances made for each activity are disproportional. That was my interpretation on the point in op
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    Jan 25th, 2012 (1/25/2012 3:45pm) in reply to OneM24

     
    Originally Posted by OneM24 View Post

    lol @ comparing buying a gun to killing your unborn child.

    Come on, man!

    begging the question for 200, alex
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    Jan 25th, 2012 (1/25/2012 3:48pm) in reply to zeppelinzoso16

     
    Originally Posted by zeppelinzoso16 View Post

    Guns do not kill people, women with coat hangers do.


    Fyp
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    Jan 26th, 2012 (1/26/2012 2:37pm) in reply to tekiller

    I had no idea this stuff used to go on...

    http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...,2398463.story

    "Reporting from Raleigh, N.C.—
    Elaine Riddick was a confused and frightened 14-year-old. She was poor and black, the daughter of alcoholic parents in a segregated North Carolina town. And she was pregnant after being raped by a man from her neighborhood.

    Riddick's miserable circumstances attracted the attention of social workers, who referred her case to the state's Eugenics Board. In an office building in Raleigh, five men met to consider her fate — among them the state health director and a lawyer from the attorney general's office.

    Board members concluded that the girl was "feebleminded" and doomed to "promiscuity." They recommended sterilization. Riddick's illiterate grandmother, Maggie Woodard, known as "Miss Peaches," marked an "X" on a consent form"
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    Jan 26th, 2012 (1/26/2012 2:40pm) in reply to DAWS

     
    Originally Posted by DAWS View Post

    I had no idea this stuff used to go on...

    http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...,2398463.story

    "Reporting from Raleigh, N.C.—
    Elaine Riddick was a confused and frightened 14-year-old. She was poor and black, the daughter of alcoholic parents in a segregated North Carolina town. And she was pregnant after being raped by a man from her neighborhood.

    Riddick's miserable circumstances attracted the attention of social workers, who referred her case to the state's Eugenics Board. In an office building in Raleigh, five men met to consider her fate — among them the state health director and a lawyer from the attorney general's office.

    Board members concluded that the girl was "feebleminded" and doomed to "promiscuity." They recommended sterilization. Riddick's illiterate grandmother, Maggie Woodard, known as "Miss Peaches," marked an "X" on a consent form"

    You can thank the "wisdom" of Oliver Wendell Holmes for that one.
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