Originally Posted by AUSteweyOX

The presence of an angel does not signify any change in your chance to get into heaven or hell nor does it show if the angel comes from heaven or hell. Reminds me anyone know of the version in the bibble (yes that it spelled properly, bible for you crucifix rubbers) that says selfless act get you into christian heaven or is that just another thing they made up to get free shit?

No.

But if it was 500 bad people - I'd consider it a lot more.

bfactor i dont think life would be very much fun if you were the only person alive. what would you do?

No
I hate you all

By the way, not only would I sacrifice 500, 1000, 1 million people so that I could live...if I were also made to push the button that would send said individuals to their demise, I would still push that button to save myself.

And no, it's not close.

 

Originally Posted by Lord Supremo

The people talking about this scenario as if a terrorist is coming to me with this proposition are thinking about it wrong - or at least, I haven't seen one of them think about it right.

If there's a terrorist in your house with a video feed of 500 people locked in a room wired with explosives and with a gun pointing at your head and he's telling you to make a choice, it does not matter what you say because all 501 of you are dead either way. If you say you'll die for the people he'll say "LOL standard idiot Western Imperialist infidel, I'm killing all of you," and then he'll make you watch him kill the 500 people and then he'll kill you too. If you say you won't die for the 500 people he'll say "Standard idiot Western Imperialist infidel who doesn't care about the lives of others these people have families you prick," and then he'll kill the people and then he'll say "And this is for being an asshole" and he'll make a video of him chopping your head off.

So really, it doesn't matter and you should tell him you're not playing any of his fucking games.

this!

 

Originally Posted by The Alchemist

Can someone please give a reason for these "yes" responses

The world doesnt revolve around me. I'm a giver, I have sacrificed many years of my life to help family, and if a friend needs me I'm there w/o a question.

So the yeses are generally selfless people, or religious, or both.

 

Originally Posted by Niceguy

Yes bfactor would. Hell I would too.

I don't know where you got the idea that humanity was kind. I suppose it's the fault of our societies which have made us weak.

fwiw, kindness and self-sacrifice are not weaknesses

i think it's different when you have kids - you realize that someone else and their well-being is more important than your own 

in this hypothetical, it depends - saying that this was told to you by an angel presupposes that there is a God - if God and the angels of the Bible exist, he has one sick sense of humor - if my death would mean that 500 ppl would live one extra day, hell no - if my death meant that 500 children who otherwise would have died by accident would now go on and live full lives, it's a different proposition - i'd like to say i could make that kind of sacrifice, but at this stage of my life i have a toddler who wouldn't even remember me that i would be depriving of a mother - i'm not sure that i could willingly make that sacrifice, though i'd like to think i could

I really could never see me throwing myself on a grenade, not even in a room full of loved ones. Just don't think that would be my first instinct, and obv you wouldn't have time to think. 99.9% sure id just hit the floor and hope for the best

 

Originally Posted by norcaljeff

I'm more shocked that people would die for 500 mf randoms. rly???!?

i wouldnt die for 500 randos but for everyone on earth including my family? uh yeah. some of you guys are sad people. bfactor youre funny and all and give me some solid laughs on here but im fairly sure that within 10 minutes of meeting you id wanna slug you in the face. you come off as a pos in this thread.

 

Originally Posted by bfactor

Fwiw, I'm an only child and my father is already dead, so it's really just my mom. So, given that she's 60 years old, and she's made it pretty clear that she would rather die than have me die, I would obv not kill myself to save her, especially since she literally wouldn't even want me to.

So... that means there's not really anyone on Earth I would be willing to die to save. I don't even think that's all that weird or messed up, probably the vast majority of peole who have no kids or siblings would not really have anyone on Earth that they would be willing to die to save. Think about it.

what about monica malone?

 

Originally Posted by bfactor

Fwiw, I'm an only child and my father is already dead, so it's really just my mom.  So, given that she's 60 years old, and she's made it pretty clear that she would rather die than have me die, I would obv not kill myself to save her, especially since she literally wouldn't even want me to.

So... that means there's not really anyone on Earth I would be willing to die to save.  I don't even think that's all that weird or messed up, probably the vast majority of peole who have no kids or siblings would not really have anyone on Earth that they would be willing to die to save.  Think about it.

meh i guess. maybe im just cranky

 

Originally Posted by doomed222

im fairly sure that within 10 minutes of meeting you id wanna slug you in the face. you come off as a pos in this thread.

I've met bfactor and I guarantee you you wouldn't. He is surprisingly
'normal' IRL and is a very nice guy.

My mindset is really simple to understand, and I'm honestly having a pretty good laugh at the 'yes' people acting like the 'no' people are selfish and self-absorbed.

I understand that my life's value is probably not > than the combination of the value of 500 randoms that I could potentially save. However, since this is a personal question of value, my life TO ME is more important than the combination of the value of 500 randoms that I could potentially save. So though my life's value in reality is not more important than the combination of said 500, being that it is a personal decision whether to off myself for the sake of 500 randoms or save myself and off 500 randoms, I have to weigh the value that I place on my own personal decision...so TO ME my life is more important than 500 people I don't even know, and thus I would save my life over 500 randoms.

So let's just look at it in, say, dollar figures. Now I know the price I put on this isn't accurate, so don't try to pick apart that...I'm just using an example.

Let's say the real value of life in the world for every person in this world is $1 million. Therefore, in the world, my value is actually $1 million, compared to $500 million if you combine the figures. Thus, by real value amount would propose that saving the worth of $500 million is more important than saving $1 million. Obviously 500 mil > 1 mil.

HOWEVER

Since this is a personal decision, I have to weigh the value that I place on my own life to me vs. the value that I place on 500 random people.

TO ME, my life obviously has no monetary value; it's priceless. If I die, TO ME, my life holds no worth, because I'm dead...I can't have life when dead, and thus my personal value is gone. If I live, my value is infinite to me personally.

Compare that to 500 randoms. TO ME, their life has a price, just because they may affect me in some round-about way, but we don't know that. So let's just say for shits and giggles that everyone combined averages 400k in value to me.(This amount really doesn't matter as you'll see) So this would mean that they are worth in personal value $200 million.

So comparing the personal values, Infinite value(me staying alive) > $200 million in value...

So again: real world value - $1 million(my life) < $500 million (their lives combined)

Personal value(since it's a personal choice of what I value more) - Infinite(my life) > $200 million(Their lives combined)...

Thus the pretty easy choice of my life over theirs. The ONLY way this could be a close decision is if the personal value to me of the 500 randoms was exactly infinite, which obviously is impossible since they are randoms and I don't know them. Of course, then you add in the fact that if I'm dead, said 500 randoms have no personal value to me since I'm ...umm...dead, and the solution becomes even clearer.

And because of all I said above, you can see why the number of randoms really would have no bearing on my decision. You could throw 500 billion people into the equation that I could potentially save, and still it would not make a difference.

 

Originally Posted by threeven

I've met bfactor and I guarantee you you wouldn't. He is surprisingly
'normal' IRL and is a very nice guy.

yeah like i said im prolly just cranky no harm intended