Played this hand today, I know how I would have played it in a typical tournament, but feel this is one of the differences. 2 villians in this hand I've had some history with. BB villian is a regular. He's on the agressive side, usually has something, but is willing to limp pots then raise on the flop (not a calling station). Not afraid to get all his money in with non nut hands either (but not donkeyish draws). Not what I would call a good player, but isn't horrible.

SB seems competent. Plays way too many hands, but I doubled off of him when he called my raise with 10-9 suited (I had 99) on a 10-9-4 flop. He talked through the hand outloud and sounded like he knew what he was doing. So, has a wide variety of hands preflop, but plays them alright. So, I don't fear any player, but both can put a move on, yet aren't your typical idiot donkeys at the table (these are probably the only 2 decent players at the table).

Tables been limping tons of hands preflop. Rarely are they raised. 4 players in ahead of my button, I have 6-5 clubs and limp (If I raise, I would expect at least 2 callers, and the other players at the table are so bad, better to catch and play. SB completes, bb checks.

Flop Kc7c4s so I hit open ended straight and flush draws. SB checks, bb leads for for 11. Typical bet for him, has done this a lot. Could be on a draw, could have a weak K, could be seeing where his mid pair hand (like 88) is at too. He would also do this with a set of 77 or 44 though unlikely hands this early, but in his range, it folds to me.

I debate here. I'm either calling or raising. I decide after a min to call. My thought is that an Axcc hand is in the bb range, SB is likely folding to, but would check a K10 type hand. If I raise, I don't really want to be re-popped here, rather just hit the hand, then play. I could also try to steal on some turn cards that miss me (like an ace). First question, is this the right move.

SB then makes it 45. That surprises me. I would think he would have bet out sets there, though bb leads a lot of boards out, so maybe 2 pair, could be a big spade draw too. Could be a set. BB debates and flats, that's scary, looks like a draw to me, I debate here. I have outs, but now not so sure about my flush outs. Still, straight outs I have 6 and can be pretty non scary (sb started in the $160 range, bb with about 220, I have both covered over $500). I debate, now, really not sure what to do. The call from the bb is weird here, I would expect him to fold. Do I just fold here, do I flat and re-evaluate? Do I push right here? I decided to flat and hope to hit the straight on the turn.

Turn is 2 clubs. Gives me the gutshot to the straight flush. SB pushed for about $120, bb hemmed hawed, said sb got there on him, and folded. I really debated here. I wasn't expecting this big a bet from him but could be a set, could be his 2 pair, I don't know. So, what do you do here?

Not folding...after the checkraise on the flop from the SB I don't see why you wouldn't just want to get it in on the flop...

 

Originally Posted by motostar508

Call.. my assumption would be he flopped top two or possibly set of 4s' since there was no raise preflop and he led out 45 on the flop its highly unlikely he has a flush draw too. Most people who flops sets play it hard on the flop, rarely ever do I see people slow play sets. I hope you shipped it!

You can't fold cause he has this or kq,ak with high club at most. His reraise on the flop almost plays his hand face up cause he rarely raises with Ax club draw there...obv you have to call.

Well, I tended to agree with everyone, and almost called. Then he looked at me and said he had me. I told him what he had, and he flashed me his cards, K8 clubs, he had the flush. Strange, but since I was drawing to one out, snap fold. It's funny too, the way the hand went, I was about to pay it off.

Also glad that most people don't seem to have an issue with flatting the flop, and not raising.

pile on flop. I think flatting the worst. You call call and then fold when u brick n have put a good amount of $ in, or u call call n dont get paid when u hit.

I'd rather just stick it in n hope for the best

WilliamBrasky,

Sorry, I mixed up the suits, flop was Kx7c4c. Not sure what sounds fishy, I'm writing this the day after, and seeing 10 hours of hands over the last week, so I mixed it up. Online, I would have posted faster, and had the hand history, live I'm having to go by memory, and I mixed up the hand with a few others.

Griifter, 2 things. 1, does it make sense to raise where, anything under $20 is likely getting 3 callers here? If I make it $20, is it really worth it with such a weak hand that likely misses?

On the flop, does it make sense to push over just calling to catch, trying to keep the pot small? In a tournament, this is a place to get your money in , but is it the same in cash?

 

Originally Posted by lordxixor101

WilliamBrasky,

Sorry, I mixed up the suits, flop was Kx7c4c. Not sure what sounds fishy, I'm writing this the day after, and seeing 10 hours of hands over the last week, so I mixed it up. Online, I would have posted faster, and had the hand history, live I'm having to go by memory, and I mixed up the hand with a few others.

Griifter, 2 things. 1, does it make sense to raise where, anything under $20 is likely getting 3 callers here? If I make it $20, is it really worth it with such a weak hand that likely misses?

On the flop, does it make sense to push over just calling to catch, trying to keep the pot small? In a tournament, this is a place to get your money in , but is it the same in cash?

so you forgot that you flopped an open ended straight flush draw???? but remembered that you turned the flush with a gutter straight flush draw? If you want real help post the real details. We all take weird lines sometimes, just post how it really happened.

FWIW when you flop a open ender and flush draw do what you can to get all the money in no matter how small the flush draw or don't play suited connectors at all to begin with (either is optional but the in between is -ev).