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  1. polosport061 polosport061 is offline

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    Jun 21st, 2011 (6/21/2011 8:01pm)

    Ive been at the table for a little over an hour and had seen the guy only raise one or maybe two hands preflop and he showed Aces. The guy is UTG and raises to 25, UTG+1 calls and it folds around to me. I look down at KK. I just called which looking back was a pretty poor move but his bet screamed AA to me. The flop comes out 8 2 10 rainbow and he bets 100, UTG+1 folds. What do you do here?

    The only info i had on the guy is that he didnt raise pre very much at all, only the one or two times and showing aces once. He was involved in a lot of hands and bet post flop a lot but only 10-15 dollars at a time.
  2. J9thabest420 J9thabest420 is offline

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    Jun 21st, 2011 (6/21/2011 9:40pm) in reply to polosport061

    how much does villian and you both have at the start of the hand? shoulda repopped pre but as played ez shove over the top
  3. polosport061 polosport061 is offline

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    Jun 22nd, 2011 (6/22/2011 7:09am) in reply to J9thabest420

    We are both sitting at around 450 each. Villiian is a guy in late 30's early 40's.
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  4. Duff McGuire Duff McGuire is offline

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    Jun 22nd, 2011 (6/22/2011 3:18pm) in reply to polosport061

    unfortunately you can't fold. Only really AA can beat you. $25 pre in 1/2 is either AA of probably JJ. Since people raise stupid with JJ
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  5. UNeed2Learn UNeed2Learn is offline

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    Jun 22nd, 2011 (6/22/2011 3:53pm) in reply to Duff McGuire

    i min raise back to 200 and get it in if shoved on. Your only really loosing to AA or 1010 given his image. you beat JJ QQ ( he has QQ most likely i think ) and get folds with AJ AQ AK.

    Results plz....
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    Jun 22nd, 2011 (6/22/2011 7:38pm) in reply to UNeed2Learn

    You have to reraise pre.....I assume queens/ak/JJ/AQ are in his range. You can't fold unless you have a very sick read.
     
  7. MarkH MarkH is offline

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    Jun 22nd, 2011 (6/22/2011 9:34pm) in reply to TheLegend

    $25 open raise preflop UTG seems awful high. Depends on game texture I guess. Was this normal for this game?

    $100 on a non threatening board into a $75 pot also seems high.

    More often than not you'll see that kind of betting from someone on tilt. Was there reason for him to be tilting?

    The first bet might be AA figuring only hands he dominated would call. But that flop bet would as likely serve to force out the dominated hands as keep them in. You were thinking of folding KK so what would anything else likely do?

    I'd say if he has AA he's playing them very very badly.
  8. polosport061 polosport061 is offline

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    Jun 23rd, 2011 (6/23/2011 1:36am) in reply to MarkH

    The Villian was not on tilt has he had won most of the hands he was involved in. The raise was very high for the table; most pre flop raises were to 10-12 range.

    I ended up folding the hand figuring that I could probably find a spot that I felt better about. I felt pretty good about the fold at first but the more I thought about it the more I figured I should have shoved and just took whatever happened. He ended up showing AK.
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  9. Flopnuts1 Flopnuts1 is offline

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    Jun 23rd, 2011 (6/23/2011 2:13am) in reply to polosport061

    This is a 1/2 game. Please get your chips in the middle and if he has AA then it is just a cooler. Also reraise pf for sure.
  10. Myst1cStylez Myst1cStylez is offline

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    Jun 23rd, 2011 (6/23/2011 2:38am) in reply to Flopnuts1

    Don't know how you are EVER folding here.. If he has AA oh well, but after seeing how he played this hand, I can't possibly see how or why you would think AA. Why is he ever betting 100 on the flop with AA? Typically people at the casino (or anywhere for that matter) don't play AA like this.
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    Jun 23rd, 2011 (6/23/2011 9:42pm) in reply to polosport061

     
    Originally Posted by polosport061 View Post

    The Villian was not on tilt has he had won most of the hands he was involved in. The raise was very high for the table; most pre flop raises were to 10-12 range.

    I ended up folding the hand figuring that I could probably find a spot that I felt better about. I felt pretty good about the fold at first but the more I thought about it the more I figured I should have shoved and just took whatever happened. He ended up showing AK.

    You took the information, reached a conclusion, and acted on it. That's good poker. Your problem was in interpreting the available information. Just seeing 1 raise in an hour that was AA isn't enough to be able to conclude the guy only raises on AA. If you'd realized that, I think you'd have made the right choice. Lesson learned and cheap at that.

    I don't think I'd have shoved the flop. I'd have put the AK at the top of my list and let him bluff at it some more. If he has an over pair that's not A's then all the money's getting into the pot anyway. If he has the AK like he did then shoving just pushes him out. Resolve that no matter what all your chips are going into the pot one way or the other and then act in the way that best gets the villain's chips in the pot as well no matter what he has.
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    Jun 24th, 2011 (6/24/2011 9:00pm) in reply to MarkH

    huge pre raise/this texture flop overbet often means a hand the bettor doesn't want to show down or is afraid will be sucked out on(JJ,QQ,AK-AQ).... Aces bet pot or less on this flop IMO....
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    Jun 24th, 2011 (6/24/2011 11:20pm) in reply to xxDonkeyKongxx

    gamble or not to gamble thats the question , could have been qq-1010 . I would have shoved but I never think they have it
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    Jun 25th, 2011 (6/25/2011 5:38am) in reply to peacebrother

    had a guy open to 24 utg the other day while playing 1-2nl his stack was only 115 or so tho, i looked down to ak dd in the bb my stack around 350, i shoved it in and he showed JJ. so before u told the results i was putting villian on JJ QQ or AK, i mean AA possible but why would he overbet the flop on such a dry board. like others have said i would have reraised this preflop to 70-80. live and learn i guess, no clue why he showed, what are ppl thinking this whole hand is ridic

    i really cant believe u folded. i guess thats why 1-2nl is so profitable, please come and play at my table anyday. but seriously what kind of flop where u looking for? u were set mining with kk? mind bottling
     
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    Jun 25th, 2011 (6/25/2011 7:00am) in reply to Jwilkinson

    This is why I rake in at 1/2.... I mean exactly, "what flop were you looking for" why call if you get the dream flop and fold because you think he only and ever has aces betting 100 into a 75 dollar pot. Who the hell does that????..

    I would say if you keep playing like this your never going to beat variance, Sry if I am being blunt but this is crazy.
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    Jun 25th, 2011 (6/25/2011 5:53pm) in reply to MarkH

     
    Originally Posted by MarkH View Post

    I don't think I'd have shoved the flop. I'd have put the AK at the top of my list and let him bluff at it some more. If he has an over pair that's not A's then all the money's getting into the pot anyway. If he has the AK like he did then shoving just pushes him out. Resolve that no matter what all your chips are going into the pot one way or the other and then act in the way that best gets the villain's chips in the pot as well no matter what he has.

    I agree with Mark. The only way you make additional money on the hand is to flat the flop and get it in on any non-ace turn. You have to give him a chance hand money to you. I'm pretty sure this is your most profitable line given the pre-flop action.
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    Jun 25th, 2011 (6/25/2011 9:27pm) in reply to doug0713

    Thanks for all the feedback... i realized I played the hand terribly. I'm still trying to adjust from online tournaments to live cash. I'm having some horrible swings so far... I've read a lot of the posts on here and most people say to play nit poker and just wait for the money to roll in. I'm not sure if im taking longer to adapt then I was hoping or just having a bad run but although profitable not as much as I would like.
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  18. TrueMetalMan TrueMetalMan is offline

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    Jun 25th, 2011 (6/25/2011 11:19pm) in reply to polosport061

    Nitting it up is a plus, But at 1/2 I like to see a lot of flops with hands like j8s through qt-kt pairs 99+ and suited connectors. If you have an opportunity to see a cheap flop in position with hands like this don't be scared people play horrrrribly post flop on 1/2.

    Good luck man.
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    Jun 26th, 2011 (6/26/2011 1:36am) in reply to TrueMetalMan

    Are you all raising with hands like 89s in middle late position or just calling the 2. If its raised early and you have mid pair or suited connectors are you three betting? I know one of my biggest leaks is not being aggressive enough post flop.
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    Jun 26th, 2011 (6/26/2011 4:34am) in reply to polosport061

    I shove over the top in that situation with a dry board, but you made your read and at the end of the day who's to say an A wouldn't have popped up on the turn or the river.

    Either way, with a dry board like that, by shoving you would be getting your money in good against 95% of hands.
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    Jun 26th, 2011 (6/26/2011 12:43pm) in reply to VinnyStax11

    def get KK in pre even 200bb deep, the guy raises like 12bb UTG which is obv awefull.
    so ge prolly isnt folding much after that big of a raise, get value from 99,TT,JJ,QQ,AK pre
    as played prolly still get it in,and 100 into 75 is more like JJ,QQ,AK,random wired hands then AA and TT
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  22. Jwilkinson Jwilkinson is offline vvubanga

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    Jun 26th, 2011 (6/26/2011 8:11pm) in reply to VinnyStax11

     
    Originally Posted by VinnyStax11 View Post

    I shove over the top in that situation with a dry board, but you made your read and at the end of the day who's to say an A wouldn't have popped up on the turn or the river.

    Either way, with a dry board like that, by shoving you would be getting your money in good against 95% of hands.

    so u are saying that villan woulda stacked off with AK high if hero shoves the flop? cmon man think before u post. like others have said flat the flop since its a dry board and get value from worse hands and give him and opportunity to bluff later streets.
     
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