Here's the best HH I can make up. 10 Handed.. ignoring anyone who didn't put any money in the pot.

Stack sizes for players relevant (rounded as close as I remember) : UTG+3 $150, hero: $550, Button: $400.

UTG+2: calls
UTG+3: calls
Hijack (hero): Raises to $18 with 8c8h
Button: calls $18
SB: Fold
BB: Fold
UTG+2: folds
UTG+3: Calls $18

3 to the flop.
Flop: 9c6s5c

UTG+3: checks
HERO: $35
Button: Calls $35
UTG+3: Folds

Turn: 2(either hearts or diamonds)

HERO: $55
Button: Calls $55

River: Qs

HERO: Checks
Button:$100
HERO: ????

As far as reads, the Button player was one of two other players at the table who I felt were somewhat capable of breathing oxygen. Had been playing together for about 3 hours at this point. He had played standard TAG. I had been fairly active at the table. Had 3bet preflop maybe 10 times up to that point, only ended up showing down once with JJ after I flopped a set. But I had been relentlessly abusing old guy limpers from late position all night up to this point and I'm fairly sure this guy picked up on it. So his view of my raising range is probably pretty wide. Button really hadn't played back at me much at prior to this hand. He had 4bet me at one point and when i folded he showed Queens.

I don't think I played the hand horribly (I think I played it fairly well, really), but it definitely got me into an awkward situation at the end. I figured his range to be Overpairs, Big missed flush draws, sets, and thats about it.

I do know what he had... I'm just looking for advice on my line, ranging etc. And if you call the river bet or not. The info I gave is about the extent that I knew during the given situation.

If your betting the turn then you have to have the intention of calling the river or else you're gonna barrel your money away and fold when a scare card shows up...

 

Originally Posted by MarkH

Call. He's either on a busted draw or flopped huge IMO.

this. esp after showing weakness on the river. if u bet he folds those hands. now u show weakness on the river and induced a bluff, why fold now?

Yeah I checked to induce a bluff from missed draws and for pot control so he didn't ship the rest of his stack in if I did lead.

Anyone else taking a different line all together or bet sizing etc.?

If his preflop range is pretty tight calling your $18 raise, then I think you played it perfectly if you call the river. Just hope he didn't slowplay the flopped straight or hit the queen drawing to a flush. I think you should be check/calling all rivers on this board to be honest.

 

Originally Posted by RedIceRap

not many cg experts here imo. had a few tables open when i wrote this. when i think about it u have to ask urself what hands does he flat there? sure he picked up on u abusing old limpers, and a hand like qq+ makes sense. if he has a draw, what flushdraw could he flat pre? maybe AJs+. the q falls on the river, so the only 2 hands left are AJs and AKs that u beat, and AKs would most likely raise pre, but since he only calls with queens which is kinda equal to AK i think we can count that in. the other problem is, its deepstacked cq, and if the river is a J i kinda doubt villain will fire a 100 bux value bet there since u could easily check with a set or 2pair to induce from missed flushdraws as well. flopped sets wouldve raised the turn imo. but def could flat as well. so, i dont rly know what to do here, in a tourney with lots of bad players i regulary make similar plays and call the river, which is def profitable. this is a different situation. uve been agro, villain is standard tag and seems to be competent since he slowplays qq vs u which is the perfect play there preflop. if the k or a falls on the turn he has a lil problem tho. so not sure if that calling is for pot control or to suck u in to keep barreling. either way such a river bet is either nuts or a bluff. maybe its better to consider how u can avoid such a spot instead of asking what the right move is. maybe raise less pre since there wont be many hands that will call pre oop that are worse than 88 or just call to setmine. maybe ur sizing was the reason for him playing so careful.

I checked the river with every intention of calling a river bet. However, when he put out the $100 I ended up tank folding. I didn't like the fold and I thought this should've been a check/call the way I played the hand. I think this is a bluff quite often enough to make calling okay though.

And as much as I'd like to raise less on the flop, if I make it 12 to go, more times than not at this table the blinds would've come along as well as the two callers making the raise all together worthless except for building a larger pot with a mediocre hand with a ton of callers. This was a mid afternoon game with pretty much a full table of older retired guys who limp/called at a really high percentage. I toyed around with preflop raising sizes quite often and by this time I pretty much figured out that $18 after 2-3 limpers usually got most if not all of them to fold. I used the same sizing for all hands in my raising range. With just one limper I was raising 12-15 and if I was opening was using 12.

I know that seems high to anyone who doesn't play 1/3 live.. however 5xbb is pretty much a standard open for a lot of these guys and even more after limpers.

One of the biggest reasons I folded was the amount this is a bluff/monster etc was important obviously, but another factor was that this guy was really the only person at the table that was giving me any problems what so ever, and I knew there would be much easier situations where I can make money as there had been before. My image was getting me paid off massive anytime I had sets/flushes/straights/top2 etc. Most of the guys to my right were incapable of laying down tpwk to me and I knew I could continue to exploit that so I swallowed my pride and folded. And this was such a marginal situation for 1/3 of a buy in that I didn't really think I needed to take the risk.

Since BF I've been playing tons of cash games live and am finally getting the hang of it. It's been rough for me learning the differences between live cash and online tourney as I had pretty much stuck to online.

I'm not sure how flawed or accurate my logic in thinking this is, but i've come to realize that folding in marginal situations where I may likely be ahead or have the better hand isn't really a bad thing in live cash games because there are much much much easier edges that I can take advantage of and will make more money in the long run.

That was probably a bit of a ramble. But anyway.. After I tank folded the guy said good fold and showed 99.

 

Originally Posted by RyJS

I'm not sure how flawed or accurate my logic in thinking this is, but i've come to realize that folding in marginal situations where I may likely be ahead or have the better hand isn't really a bad thing in live cash games because there are much much much easier edges that I can take advantage of and will make more money in the long run.

Im with ya on that, but then again im a donk online mtter too. when you checked to him on the river what kind of bet would you have 'insta' c/c? or did you radar go off because the bet of $100? aside from him showing 99 and you making the right 'results' fold it sounds like your logic/reasoning/livegamepokerskillz are getting better. I've had a problem with tango'n with the 1 or 2 decent guys at the table instead of just picking apart the remaining donks. how's rivers treating you?

makes sense. gotta love that, instinct kicking in.

thats good to hear youve got it under control, yea i try to only play when im feelin it but ive been grinding MTTs still. Are they having one at Rivers? I'm actually living in Cali right now playing tournaments on the west coast, I'll be back in the burgh for 3 weeks end of Dec into Jan. Hoping Rivers or Meadows has something decents, im sure they will.