Skip the taxi and take the bus. Forget thye hotel and stay at budget suites. Its ghetto but cheaper than hotel. Besides you will want to use your comps for food not hotel. Comps will not pay for all of your food either. 60$ dollar tourneys in vegas are like long super turbos almost. A lot of the time chip leader will have like 10-15 bb at final table of these types of tourneys. So obv variance will be huge and luck will play a large part. One possitive is that crazy stupid donks play these tourneys. I mean the worst of the worst. I am horrible at poker and I feel like a genious sometimes playing these people. Best bet is like dude said ^^ 1-2 cash but good luck out here and hope you make it big!!!! Also 10$ an hour jobs are available out here, anything more than that and your screwed.

 

Originally Posted by lordxixor101

Ok lava, let's have some fun with math, tourny is a $50+15 with 40 runners, that's a $2k prize pool. If it's $700 for first place (remember only netting +535 here) and what $500 2nd, $300 3rd, $200, 4th $160, 5th for $140. What sort of ROI are you expecting?

I felt dominate in 45 man $10+1 tournaments at FTP when I started playing there. I was able to average close to a 40% ROI. This was with rake less than 10%. With a $50+15 it's 23%, so if your crushing you might bring home about 20% (remember, might want to tip your dealers if your there daily). That's still an average of what $100 a week ($65*.2 is about $13 a tourny) if playing daily. Not a lot to live off of. If it's a more traditional $45+$15, your going to be lucky to scrape out 10% (remember, this is assuming that your the best player there, and the structure is decent enough that you can dominate). You just aren't going to have a 100% ROI before rake in a 40 person tournament, and that's pretty much what you need to do anything here.

It's sort of funny, this really has nothing to do with anyone not thinking your good, it's just it won't happen. You need to give yourself some chance at success (heck, if this is your plan, your better off going and buying into some $2k poker event with your winnings, if you run like god, might bink it for $100k plus and be on your way, this would be better than trying to grind out live $60 games with no bankroll

Just read some posts and THIS is 100% correct. It is just impossible my best friend was heads up two nights ago where he had 4bb and opponent had 1.5bb. Hell Phil Ivey cant do anything but push with either of those stacks, prolly with A5off. Where is the skill in that? it is alot of luck in these small buy ins

 

Originally Posted by lavaman

Thank you for the reply. You honestly gave me a "small" window of opportunity after all these beat-down posts I've read. Thank you.

The so-called beat-down posts are from people that you would just be taking a shot in the dark and 95 times out of 100 be broke very quick. Bankroll management is key to any long term success plan, unless you have a backer. Playing $65 live tournaments with a $15 rake is no way to build your roll, because any profit you may achieve will be eaten up by expenses. Yes, it is possible but extrememly unlikely unless you get some sick positive variance that you bink 3 tourneys in a row to start off with and never look back, but this is certainly not something to rely a plan on.

 

Originally Posted by wackyJaxon

The so-called beat-down posts are from people that you would just be taking a shot in the dark and 9999 times out of 10,000 be broke very quick.

FYP

Honestly if your seriously dead set on doing poker... I think the best option is to get out of America, join some lower end poker house.. deposit your 2k on stars and start grinding, it's way more realistic/doable than your current plan.

 

Originally Posted by lavaman

Where would you suggest I move? What's the cheapest alternative to the United States? I don't want to lose my citizenship, but I also want to play poker.

Honestly if your going to do this your going to have to live out of your car and take showers at a gym somewhere. If you have enough heart and dedication then living out of your car shouldn't be a big deal for the first few months while you grind.

lavaman, are you realistically ahead of the game enough right now too profit? or do u think that a lil bit of some coaching might be more beneficial?if so too the coaching ,dude i'd invest a lil bit right now,than save a lil bit more money,if possible.strengthen ur game man,fk the dumb dude ,one post said u are 90 m inutes from live play ,if i recollect u havnt played live yet and before any big move take ur coached investment, put a lil more into the 90 min drive, and put it too a trial run,get a cheap telly and stay a few days with a daily BR plan,and hopefully u end up getting ur investment money back along with telly, travel,food, etc.That would be profitable in itself plus experience gained.I REALLY BELIEVE BABY STEPS IS THE WTG GL POKER BROTHER

 

Originally Posted by double_kyan

lavaman, are you realistically ahead of the game enough right now too profit? or do u think that a lil bit of some coaching might be more beneficial?if so too the coaching ,dude i'd invest a lil bit right now,than save a lil bit more money,if possible.strengthen ur game man,fk the dumb dude ,one post said u are 90 m inutes from live play ,if i recollect u havnt played live yet and before any big move take ur coached investment, put a lil more into the 90 min drive, and put it too a trial run,get a cheap telly and stay a few days with a daily BR plan,and hopefully u end up getting ur investment money back along with telly, travel,food, etc.That would be profitable in itself plus experience gained.I REALLY BELIEVE BABY STEPS IS THE WTG GL POKER BROTHER

Thanks a lot man. I'll keep the faith on that note!

 

Originally Posted by Keystone

I'm not suggesting you move at all to be blunt, the fact that you proposed your original plan even kind of hints that you probably aren't exactly going to walk straight into crushing games, but what I was talking about was just look on like 2+2 or something for people putting together a cheap poker house in like mexico probably? Keep like 3 months of rent / minimal living expenses offline for that and get started at the low end with whatever is left... it's way more doable than trying to move to vegas and jump into terrible rake live tournaments, or cash games that your extremely underrolled for.

Thanks a lot. November can't get here any sooner!

 

Originally Posted by donkiman

It's obvious that you have never lived on your own. $4k for living expenses and a BR is a joke. Wherever you live they will want first and last months rent... then add food, gas, etc and you've spent half your money in the first month. If you go on ANY sort of downswing, you will be broke in a few weeks. Take my advice, have 1 years living expenses in a savings account that you can pay rent and eat with. Then have 50-100 buyins in your BR ($10k-$20k). This will allow you to play comfortably and build your roll and actually move up stakes once in a while. The whole idea is that you don't want to be playing the lowest stakes possible, while relying on beating these games to eat that night. Get a job, save up 30k+, do it right.

Absolutely. However, I do plan on taking a few grand to my local casino's when I turn 21. Wise choice?

 

Originally Posted by chaz78

2k is a good night out at a club or a Sunday of buyins online, not a LIVE BR. Save up 25k then think about doing this. And when I say "this" I mean moving to Vegas and grinding CASH games not low stakes tournaments, because being blunt with you, it's impossible to make a living from these. GL save your money kid.

Have certainly taken note of this. Thanks.

 

Originally Posted by kevmode

So OP are u going to move out to Vegas and sleep in your car?

No. I have decided to take a few grand to Belterra Casino in Indiana, then take a trip to Atlantic City if I'm successful.

 

Originally Posted by hoosier418

Im in the minorty here but I kinda like parts of your plan. Parts of it not all of it. You're young and you you have a dream why not go for it ? By go for it I mean think it out and go slow. Asking opinions here was a good start. At least you've eliminated the move to LV and looks like you're going the cash game route instead of $60 tournaments. Both good choices.

Have you considered a trial run of sorts ? Find the cheapest room you can find and stay for a week or two near a casino. Usually there are motels nearby that offer weekly rates at a good discount. You might have $300-$600 in lodging and another $300 for food. That leaves roughly 3k to play with. Go each day (or nite) with 3 buy ins ($600) in your pocket . Play 1-2 like it is your job and see how things go ? You really need a decent place to eat and sleep. If you don't eat and sleep well your game will suffer badly.

If you do the trial run. Do you have somewhere to go back to ? Like parents , friends or relatives ? Good luck to you whatever you decide and post how it goes good or bad. There is no shame in trying .

Thank you very much for your reply. This is a great post and I really enjoyed your points. I'll take your advice to heart.

 

Originally Posted by ILOVECLONIEG

Your highest cash is 1000$ and you think your ready to become a professional poker player...

My god

I started with $12 on my account when I won $1,000+ after placing in a freeroll. I only deposited $50 at a time from that point. Sure, I've won thousands playing super turbos and $100+9 SNG's, just not playing big tournaments. Maybe it's because I don't play that many? By the way, proper grammar has it you should use "you're" in this sentence:

"Your highest cash is 1000$ and you think your ready to become a professional poker player..."

 

Originally Posted by hookey91

ditto. Do you even have any experience playing live tournaments or cash. You don't even know if you'll like the daily grind routine.



you won a 1000$ in a freeroll and thats how you know your ready to make a career out of it. hahahahah gl bro

I placed second in a freeroll on Full Tilt for $12. Turned that into just over $1,500 in a little under 2 weeks. I've had hundreds of stretches where I've won $800 in an hour, then lost it all back in 5. Had cash runs where I've deposited $40 on pokerstars, ran it up to over $600 in about 30 minutes. I know how to play poker.. and am very good at it. I just have never invested thousands into the sport.

 

Originally Posted by lavaman

I started with $12 on my account when I won $1,000+ after placing in a freeroll. I only deposited $50 at a time from that point. Sure, I've won thousands playing super turbos and $100+9 SNG's, just not playing big tournaments. Maybe it's because I don't play that many? By the way, proper grammar has it you should use "you're" in this sentence:

"Your highest cash is 1000$ and you think your ready to become a professional poker player..."

No. You're an idiot. its hard as shit to play poker for a living, you can't do it. /thread

OP is just fishy.
buys in short with like $14.50 @ .25/.50 table and $60 @ 1/2 table online then hit`n`run...
i heard that way you can win the most money in livecash too, just buyin short.

cant be a good idea to move to vegas, even with propper bankroll and savings..

anyway, gl whatever your plans are.