i like this flop,he could easily have tt ,jj here maybe77, 88 or he has kk,aa ,or freaking A9 , i'm going to flat here on this board, kk and aa have you beat no need to raise and lose him if you're better,and i am ready to call him off on the turn as well , these betting amounts are due for someone to ship their stack one way or the other,i will assume u called and he bet like 200 on the turn?if an ace or king hits the turn and he checks than i'd check it back in case he was trying to bait u into his turned set, than call off his assumed 150-200 bet on river, and u will have pot controlled a potential loss or picked up a nice pot,if the turn card is anything under a ten and creates a drawing board and he checks to you, i am going to bet like 150-185, most players just aren't checking aa,kk,a9 when the turn brings a draw and most players arent raising flopped quads and fullhouses on the flop,anyhow as played i semi-tank call the flop,no snap calls or ridiculous tanking



as far as your betting amounts pre and post seem great imo

 

Reads on Villain are that he seems like a really solid player, definitely a regular that I've seen there. We haven't played many pots together, but I've been showing down strong hands whenever I have been betting and this is the first hand I've seen him check raise anyone. I know he's a solid enough player to realize that I'm a competent tight player that is capable of laying a hand down, but he hasn't gotten out of line in the few hours I've been at this table. Thoughts on what action to take here?

Jason2890: raises $25 to $35
Donkey8: folds
Donkey9: folds
Donkey3: calls $25
Villain: calls $25

"seems like a really solid player" Means I doubt he is just calling here with AA-KK. Maybe if it were just heads up but the caller behind him makes me think a solid player sees enough action to re-raise and isolate so its just the two of you.

I doubt a hand like A9 only because he re-raised on a dry board.

"he's a solid enough player to realize that I'm a competent tight player that is capable of laying a hand down"
This is where I could see a hand like 4/5 or 5/6 suited. He knows you are solid so a C-bet here would not be out of line with you holding A/10+/-. His check raise leads me to think he is testing you and the water as well.

My bet is he holds a smaller pocket pair than you or he hit the 5.....possibly 6/7 but doubt it.

I think your raise range is fine.

 

Originally Posted by double_kyan

well as far as villian goes he could still have the goods ,op gives a vague description of him, old guy young guy, SEEMS like a solid player, after hours of playing u should have a good idea what he is.............so aa and kk must be thought about as far as discussion goes

It would be interesting to know what the end result was......I see AA/KK as know way he has these as described. Not many solid players that I know of are going to flat call a raise then flat call another raise with the two other players in the hand and both raising.

The problem here is that this is the big 2 stacks tangling here. In most $1-$2 games (probably $1-$3 as well) the big stack is not going to tangle with another big stack. So, this is a spot where you really need a feel, competent player, this is a spot that you can fold.

A good player though, probably has a great spot here to play. I think flatting here is horrible, because how are you playing an over hitting? He could easily pop this out with 1010 type hand, and if a 10 hits, it'll look safe. An ace or a king will be a scare card for you here, so you need to make your decision.

Most players aren't going to pop this up with a 9, and a 9 just isn't likely in his range. So, he either has AA or KK (and was trapping hoping for a reraise on the board), or not.

I think this is a spot you reraise with, I think you pop this to about $200-$250, if he pushes, then you fold, and feel beat. Calling is horrible since no card is really good for you, outside of a queen, and you have only a 4% chance of that happening, every other card is a potential scare card for you ( I suppose a 9 really isn't but there aren't many).

If your scared to lose the $600 here, then you really can't be playing with this on the table (even if you don't have other options to play), I think you have to raise here, as played, so very little your losing to, a 9 isn't raising, 99 isn't raising, 55 isn't raising, KK/AA probably plays differently to this point, hard to really see how your losing at this point, and if he is pretty good, it's such a great spot for him to bet, since you can have AK/AQ, even 1010 type hands here that you have to throw away.

double_kyan,

I'm not saying your wrong (I'm still learning cash), my 4% comment was based on the fact that it's 4% to hit on the turn (your right it's 9% to hit on turn or river) but I don't think your getting out of the turn without paying again.

I can't see a single turn card that will hit that's going to slow him down.

I also don't know if most people play A9 like this. Are you really flatting a raise, then on a reraise and a fold, your flatting again, you hit the perfect flop, 995, and then your raising? Why? He would have played an absolutely horrible hand that would be hard to play, unless he gets this sort of a flop, why would he want to raise here? If he's a bad player, he figures you'll just keep betting. If he's good, OP likely has a huge hand here. AA/KK/QQ/AK are all in OP's range (maybe some others), what is the point in popping it here and scaring him off?

I still think AK/AQ type hand is in villians range. It's just not a bad spot to raise and see how committed OP is to the hand, especially when going up against a big stack.

I'm rambling a bit, but I still like raising here, I don't mind taking it right here. I just don't see anything in his range that your beating that he's going to pay off a huge amount more to you. But, if he is ahead of you, he'll bleed you dry here.

I also don't think I'm contridicting myself (though, maybe I am), I think you can't be scared to lose all your money, so you have to be willing to put some in, that being said, if I raise and get repopped, then I feel I'm beat, I don't want to just give money away.