Check out our brand new Local Poker Communities! Get updates and interact with poker players in your area.
Visit the United States Poker Community | Visit the California Poker Community | Read more about the Launch of P5s Local

live cash game at bar rules question

Reply to Thread
  1. nlindley7 nlindley7 is offline

    Madison, WI
    United States

    Posts: 601
    Joined: Feb 07

    Jun 17th, 2011 (6/17/2011 2:40pm)

    First two streets don't rly matter but i had bet every street w my oesd. Bet river he mucks, I flip my cards to show bluff and a queen comes off the top of my card. I have no clue if it had stuck there the whole time or someone else mucked it. What's the ruling??
  2. bwalz bwalz is offline

    CA
    United States

    Posts: 275
    Joined: Nov 10

    Jun 17th, 2011 (6/17/2011 3:40pm) in reply to nlindley7

    I'm pretty sure it's your responsiblity to tell the dealer of the misdeal at the beginning of the hand if you're aware of one. You need to figure out where the q came from, if it was a large pot & you cant get ruling between the table, floor or manager to figure it out hopefully theres cameras? If q came from the muck it's a non issue, if you unknowingly played 3 card hand it sucks that cards stuck together but I think your hand's dead unfortunately. That's the casino answer I've seen before anyway. If it happened to me at a home game I'd probably lobby for a split pot (1 time) if I made an honest mistake or allow an honest friend the same, but in a casino I'd expect to lose the pot. If they allowed it it'd create the opportunity to get dealers to hook up with an extra card & pay them on the side & pineapple it lol! I have no idea about bar games.
    Edited By: bwalz Jun 17th, 2011 at 03:45 PM
  3. nlindley7 nlindley7 is offline

    Madison, WI
    United States

    Posts: 601
    Joined: Feb 07

    Jun 17th, 2011 (6/17/2011 4:07pm) in reply to bwalz

    It wasn't a huge pot but about 50bb so decent size. The guy who runs the game ruled I won since he mucked before I showed but I think u r right and I should have lost. It def was an honest mistake, but yea as far as for future reference.
    Thread Starter
  4. Gags30 Gags30 is offline

    Posts: 6,700
    Joined: Aug 07

    Jun 17th, 2011 (6/17/2011 8:10pm) in reply to nlindley7

     
    Originally Posted by nlindley7 View Post

    It wasn't a huge pot but about 50bb so decent size. The guy who runs the game ruled I won since he mucked before I showed but I think u r right and I should have lost. It def was an honest mistake, but yea as far as for future reference.

    the problem here...is that he can't win the pot, since he already folded...so your hand is pretty irrelevant at this point. u def win the pot

    this situation would be a lot more interesting if this was showdown and he bet the river and you called, and he said 'you got it' and mucked...and THEN you turned over your hand and it had the incorrect number of cards. because then i'd have 0 clue what to rule...he has no hand, and can't win the pot at showdown without a hand...but you have a dead hand since it's incorrect...i think i would have to rule in favor of him (esp cause it's cash game) if this was a tournament i'd honestly have 0 clue what to rule
    170 2 

    Gags30 is an instructor at PocketFives Training . To get more of his advice and to watch his training videos, click here.

  5. leakinmoney leakinmoney is offline

    Hicksville, NY
    United States

    Posts: 871
    Joined: Sep 07

    Jun 17th, 2011 (6/17/2011 8:42pm) in reply to Gags30

     
    Originally Posted by Gags30 View Post

    the problem here...is that he can't win the pot, since he already folded...so your hand is pretty irrelevant at this point. u def win the pot

    this situation would be a lot more interesting if this was showdown and he bet the river and you called, and he said 'you got it' and mucked...and THEN you turned over your hand and it had the incorrect number of cards. because then i'd have 0 clue what to rule...he has no hand, and can't win the pot at showdown without a hand...but you have a dead hand since it's incorrect...i think i would have to rule in favor of him (esp cause it's cash game) if this was a tournament i'd honestly have 0 clue what to rule

    im not sure the ruling but i cant imagine the pot would be his... he had three cards, the reason the other guy mucked could have been b.c the guy had a hand he should not have had... like u said i really dont know the correct ruling but i have a hard time believing they would ship the pot to a guy playing 3 hole cards
     
  6. unemployable unemployable is offline

    Los Angeles, CA
    United States

    Posts: 493
    Joined: Mar 11

    Jun 18th, 2011 (6/18/2011 2:44am) in reply to tedSTRETCH

    yes your hand should be killed once anyone realizes you have three cards

    yes his hand should be killed once he folds

    his hand was killed before yours, you win
  7. vandy525 vandy525 is offline

    Pensacola, FL
    United States

    Posts: 53
    Joined: Oct 10

    Jun 20th, 2011 (6/20/2011 7:12pm) in reply to unemployable

    I had this happen at a table not too long ago and it was ruled that the hand of the player with three cards was dead at the very start of the hand and the last live hand won the pot... Not sure if that is the "official" rule, but thats the way it went down at my local poker room.
  8. MYBLUEDOG MYBLUEDOG is offline

    Greenville, MS
    United States

    Posts: 1,998
    Joined: May 07

    Jun 20th, 2011 (6/20/2011 8:55pm) in reply to nlindley7

    Another reason why you should just muck your cards after the other player has surrendered his hand. You avoid having to discover and explain unknown problems.

    Since you never had a valid hand, the floor ruling should settle the issue. It's doubtful the bar has cameras to record the games.

    At worst, split the pot and give money back since you did not have a valid poker hand.
Reply to Thread

Similar Threads