i was playing a $1/$2 game over the weekend at the local casino (grand victoria in elgin, IL). this hand came up where the floor had to be called over to make a ruling, it's never happened to me before, so i just want to see if any other players had this happen to them or know what the correct ruling should be.

i straddled to $5 and get dealt 96 offsuit.

mid position raises to $20, 2 other people call, so i throw in the $15 as well

flop comes 943, and i check, he bets $25, and the other 2 players fold, i throw in the call

turn comes a 5, and i check again. he continues and bets out $50 which i call again

the river comes a J, and he stops and thinks for a minute, he stacks all his chips up (he has me covered btw) and starts pushing them towards the middle. there is a betting line at this casino, he had not yet crossed it at this point, but he's basically right at the line. i announce "call" and insta-shove my remaining stack into the middle as soon as he started pushing them towards the pot. he still has his hands on his chips, and he still hadnt crossed the line. he stops and pulls his chips back and says "i didnt bet".

the dealers stops the action and calls over the floor. what should be the correct ruling?

No bet. Secondly why are you risking attack with 96?

I don't think that his action should be considered a bet. There was no verbal declaration of a bet nor did his chips cross the betting line. It should still be his action.

Yea you def got angled, but I think in some places the forward motion of the chips would constitute a bet of all the chips he pushed forward in that stack. There was a situation at the wsop main a couple years back where a guy was in a hand vs. Brandon cantu and he pushed a big pile of chips forward and then pulled them back and bet a smaller amount. Cantu said that he should be commited to the larger bet. The floor ruled for the other guy and let the smaller bet stand.

well if he was angle shooting then he ended up angle shooting himself right in the foot. the floor ruled that his actions influenced me shoving my stack in and forced him to put in a matching call. i flipped up my 96 he says "wow" and mucks, i get shipped the pot. I was surprised by the ruling as well, i would have assumed since his chips technically never crossed the line that it wasnt a bet. it was definitely my fault for not waiting till his action was complete before i announced call. I asked him later if he was still shoving if i hadnt prematurely called and he said he would've shoved if i hadnt called so quickly anyways so i definitely dont think he was angle shooting

 

Originally Posted by tamayo85

well if he was angle shooting then he ended up angle shooting himself right in the foot. the floor ruled that his actions influenced me shoving my stack in and forced him to put in a matching call. i flipped up my 96 he says "wow" and mucks, i get shipped the pot. I was surprised by the ruling as well, i would have assumed since his chips technically never crossed the line that it wasnt a bet. it was definitely my fault for not waiting till his action was complete before i announced call. I asked him later if he was still shoving if i hadnt prematurely called and he said he would've shoved if i hadnt called so quickly anyways so i definitely dont think he was angle shooting

After reading this, i personally think the floor manager should be fired. That ruling simply wouldn't happen in the casino poker rooms i play in.

i was actually on tilt then (stuck $400 from my 2 pair getting rivered by someone who only had the A of clubs and hit runner runner flush, and someone who cracked my flopped set by turning a higher set, did end up cashing out with $106 profit when it was all said and done), but i also tend to defend my straddle pretty light cuz i know at a 1/2 game they're not raising my straddle lightly too often (unless they know what they're doing) so if i can get a piece of the flop, im probably coming along, the day before i actually stacked someone in a similar fashion with 56 offsuit on my straddle when he shoved on the river after betting the whole way with A10 on a 46984 board, maybe im just really bad though (probably)

you angle shot the angle shooter def a dbl angle shoot here wp doug lee would be proud

I wasn't trying to angle shoot, I knew I was good, I just got overly excited and insta called before his bet was complete, obv I didn't think he was going to try and pull it back once he knew I had caught him bullshitting...definitely my fault for not waiting till his action was complete though

 

Originally Posted by DannyInColorado

There are plenty of casinos that would argue that an action that induces another player to make a move is a binding action. From the WSOP website...

"In a limit poker game, if you push forward with your chips and another player acts in response to your move, you are committed to completing the bet."

http://www.wsop.com/poker-rules/index.asp

The OP wasn't playing limit but I can see the mistake that would be made in the ruling if this rule is solely for limit considering the table director is overseeing all types of games.

This doesnt apply here since the casino has a betting line.

im not sure why, it all happened really quickly, all i know is that i knew i was good so i was snap calling and i didnt think he would stop shoving his stack once he started to push them towards the middle

You snap called before he could complete his action... patience would have avoided a controversial situation all together.