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My questions right up front: How do you handle this situation in a deep stacked, highly profitable event?
Playing in a $230 $25K guaranteed at Horseshoe So. Indiana (with a $10,000 overlay!!), experienced something I've never experienced in my 8+ years playing poker.
About 35 minutes into the tournament, a gentleman was moved to the 7 hole at my table. I'm no doctor, but I believe he probably had Asperger's syndrome or some other variation of autism. My initial thought was "good for him", hopping into a poker game and having some fun.
It quickly became apparent that he was going to change the complexion of the entire game.
On literally every hand for 2+ hours, he raised out of turn, he folded out of turn...he tried to bet too little, he would call then announce raise...he'd show his cards and start laughing THEN raise with them...he'd even tell the dealer to run the flop when he was waiting to act under the gun. Basically take any rule of action or ethics at a poker table, and assume he violated it repeatedly.
Now, obviously, he had severe mental issues and I'm not really sure he even understood the game entirely. That said, he got lucky a couple times, and it became clear he was going to be around for a while.
How do you guys handle this situation? It ended up taking me (and the 2-3 other regulars at the table) entirely out of our games because there was not more rhythm or predictability whatsoever. With him involved in every hand (either via acting out of turn, exposing cards, etc), the game pretty much devolved into best-hand-wins. Clearly, if this had been a "normal" player, he would've ended up having to set out multiple rounds for his behavior...but the floor and the dealers had no desire to enforce the rules themselves with him.
So, do you go the dick route and say something? Just deal with it and hope your cards are best until the table gets broken?
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IMHO if you're playing a game, any game not just poker, everyone has to follow the rules.
The staff are there to enforce the rules (like a ref is in football) and if they dont' you should complain. I'd complain. If it was football the ref wouldn't allow someone to break the rules again and again just because they had learning difficulties.
Srsly if the 'simple' guy made a few mistakes... fine... but if he did it every hand for hours he has to be told then if he carries on he has to be warned and eventually removed.
Harsh for him but you're paying for this and you're giving the casino rake - it's their job, their duty so make sure it runs properly!
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You bought in for $230, yeah be a little tolerant but if it continued to disrupt the game either say you want your buyin back or want moved to a new table if they wont enforce the rules on your table.
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He read a book and made you all think he was slow. Nice front. Would you feel bad knocking Corcky from Life Goes On out of the main event. Did he cash?? He was pissing you off for 2 hours so it seemed to me he didn't do to shabby.
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Anyone who didn't feel bad for the guy definitely had no heart. He was as nice as they come. Every time he'd make a mistake, you could tell he was very embarrassed...he just couldn't keep up.
He didn't cash (finished about 40th / 75) but he did manage to change the complexion of the entire game.
Definitely made several people tilt pretty hard, but the solid players at the table were all trying to pick their spots in the 1-2 hands per round that the guy wasn't involved in.
My biggest question is, how do you adapt?
For example: dude limps under the gun. once he limps, he announces "raise". dealer doesn't allow the raise of course. everyone folds, you see AJ on the button. you open for 3x BB, when it gets back to him, he puts out calling chips. Then he says "all in". Dealer does not allow the all in.
Flop comes 973. He puts out a 1k chip, waits 3 seconds, says "all in".
^^^ this exact situation happened to me, plus several just like it.
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Despite his trouble keeping up with the game, was he showing any aptitude for it? did he have any tendencies? call too much? It looks like he limped every hand, normally I just try and isolate these people.
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Honestly this sounds like the perfect scenario. I don't understand why you say you don't want to play any pots against him. Like Ray said, it sounds like he played a lot of hands, so I would just pick my spots and be aggressive with him when you know your ahead. Sign me up for a whole table full of corky's. Don't get me wrong, it might be annoying and throw your rhythm off, but you need to adapt. It's really not that much different than someone drunk off their ass at the table doing stupid things like acting out of turn, and I would love to have a table full of drunks too. The biggest difference between the two is that the drunk chose to be drunk and stupid. But wow....if your slow in southern Indiana you must be really slow lol j/k
Originally Posted by mbc82584
My questions right up front: How do you handle this situation in a deep stacked, highly profitable event?
Playing in a $230 $25K guaranteed at Horseshoe So. Indiana (with a $10,000 overlay!!), experienced something I've never experienced in my 8+ years playing poker.
About 35 minutes into the tournament, a gentleman was moved to the 7 hole at my table. I'm no doctor, but I believe he probably had Asperger's syndrome or some other variation of autism. My initial thought was "good for him", hopping into a poker game and having some fun.
It quickly became apparent that he was going to change the complexion of the entire game.
On literally every hand for 2+ hours, he raised out of turn, he folded out of turn...he tried to bet too little, he would call then announce raise...he'd show his cards and start laughing THEN raise with them...he'd even tell the dealer to run the flop when he was waiting to act under the gun. Basically take any rule of action or ethics at a poker table, and assume he violated it repeatedly.
Now, obviously, he had severe mental issues and I'm not really sure he even understood the game entirely. That said, he got lucky a couple times, and it became clear he was going to be around for a while.
How do you guys handle this situation? It ended up taking me (and the 2-3 other regulars at the table) entirely out of our games because there was not more rhythm or predictability whatsoever. With him involved in every hand (either via acting out of turn, exposing cards, etc), the game pretty much devolved into best-hand-wins. Clearly, if this had been a "normal" player, he would've ended up having to set out multiple rounds for his behavior...but the floor and the dealers had no desire to enforce the rules themselves with him.
So, do you go the dick route and say something? Just deal with it and hope your cards are best until the table gets broken?
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He wins, but has some "interesting" personality quirks.
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If a "regular" player was constantly doing that, would they not get warnings, then penalties, then disqualification? Treat everyone equally. And when they (the floor) stops treating people equally, take whatever recourse is necessary - ask for managers, report them to whatever gaming commission.
Edited By: SpankyHamm Jun 27th, 2012 at 03:06 AM -
If you want to be that guy.
Originally Posted by SpankyHamm
If a "regular" player was constantly doing that, would they not get warnings, then penalties, then disqualification? Treat everyone equally. And when they (the floor) stops treating people equally, take whatever recourse is necessary - ask for managers, report them to whatever gaming commission.
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Edited By: ugain2004 Jun 28th, 2012 at 05:01 PMOh really?Originally Posted by 2JL
IMHO if you're playing a game, any game not just poker, everyone has to follow the rules.
The staff are there to enforce the rules (like a ref is in football) and if they dont' you should complain. I'd complain. If it was football the ref wouldn't allow someone to break the rules again and again just because they had learning difficulties.
Srsly if the 'simple' guy made a few mistakes... fine... but if he did it every hand for hours he has to be told then if he carries on he has to be warned and eventually removed.
Harsh for him but you're paying for this and you're giving the casino rake - it's their job, their duty so make sure it runs properly!
It's not being a dick to say something.
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if u can count to potato, you can play at my table
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Those types of plays were like angle shooting. Still though you could of just ignored the noise and played the game as if it were online.
Early in live tournaments people are usually super loose preflop loving to see any many flops as they can get away with. Limp with them in position and ISO when you got good hands ahead of their range. -
am i the only one laughing at his antics?
at the table, online or live, i often wonder, is this person super smart? or just has no idea how this game works? usually the latter... -
i think i would complain if that happened to me and they hopefully would warn that person. i dont see how it is ok if a single person takes out the fun for everybody else. if he's not in an appropriate mental condition he shouldnt play anyway, so i wouldnt feel bad at all if that person would be disqualified.









