Short background:

Straddler = is a loose aggressive player with a good knowledge for the game. Ive played with him a while and we usually play pretty passive against each other (weak play since we know each other well)

MP = Extremely Tight Passive. I have whitnessed him check call top boat 2x thinking each person had a case card. One hand in particular he limped pre, 4 callers flop came J99 he check called a bet 2 folders, turn 9 he check calls river goes check check. He shows JJ and said wow thought you had the 9. Saw this 2x plus various other very strong hands he gets no value for.

HiJack = ME ... I took a year off from playing since I started my business and had my 1st son. A few players are regs that Ive played 2/5 and 1/2 4 nights a week with prior. the 1st 2 weeks I set a good tight image and now Im exploiting it, stealing some nice pots but havent had to go to showdown so noone hasnt seen a shit hand. All showdown hands of mine have been very strong and well played.

Button = Good tight aggressive player switches it up nice depending on whos in the hand. He is very trickable because he doesnt pay attention to tendencies and betting habbits.

Blinds 1/3 but plays as a 2/5 game (this is the only night they play 1/3. Game is usually a 2/5 game with the exception of the mixed HA game on Thursday). Standard preflop raises range from 12-20$.

Straddle from seat 2 to $6... MP flats... Hijack (me) raises to 23$... button flats.... straddler flats... mp flats...

FLOP Jc Js 4h

checks around

TURN 8h

straddler checks... MP checks... I bet 40$ into about 100$... button tanks then calls... straddler tanks and calls... MP tanks FOREVER and folds...

River Ah

straddler insta bets 30$... I tank then raise to 115$... button seems to want to call but folds... straddler takes 5-7 minutes until he calls...

What are the hands?

STRADDLER =

MP=

ME=

Button=


Ill post the hands and my info later.

Lets have some fun with this, I assume the info is good enough for anyone to make a good decision

Ok, I'll play.
Straddler: rag hearts
MP: A8o
You: AJ
Button: TT

Straddler: 67h
MP: 99
You: 88
Button: QJ

Straddler: 67h
MP: 77
You: 9Th
Button: TT

dont assume I won. I thought it was a good hand for discussion as the players tendencies are dramatically different

OK here was my thought process during the hand. Now guess my hand again...

Delt XX put the raise in with intentions of calling raises from the button and straddler but folding to a MP raise.

Flop of JJ4. Shit great flop but I need to inflate the pot without losing the aggressive players. I decide to chck call any bets made...

turn 8h. Ok good card puts some draws out there and makes a lot of their range better but I cant check. I want to bet enough that I can make a substantial value bet on the river that may be called by 2 players. I tank thinking of this but it looks like a bit of acting although I was genuinely thinking about how much I could bet on the river. Button calls, straddler calls MP folds after a long tank...

I reevaluate my reads while he is mucking. Putting...

MP on QQ with a small possibility of KK but Im fairly confident he raises the straddle pre with KK AA sooooo my only conclusion is QQ played terribly.

Button i felt was on a combo draw, like 9Thh. 8 is a great card and if the J was a heart i would expect him to raise my 40$ turn bet.

Straddler at this time I felt he had a pair like TT,99 with a small shot at AThh A9hh

River Ah ( this is the card i wanted to see) I love this card. I had put the buttons read on me AK or AQ with a steal attempt on the turn. I put the straddlers read on me as a flush draw or QQ, KK. Now witht he Ace hitting i can rep the A and get what seems to be dead money in on the river. Im fairly confident the button has the flush but Im not sure what the straddler has since the Ace high flush draw is now disregarded. Im just hoping for a big bluff by the button or a donk bet by the straddler

My plan was to bet 95 and hope someone saw the bet as a bluff but the straddler does donk bet to 30 instantly. Im still a little lost with his hand. Only hands he can have is AQ or the flush. No way he has 44 or 88 here. I dont want to lose the button who I really think has a decent flush so I raise it to 115. Not sure if it was too much or sent a red flag but he mucked but was dissappointed in the muck

Straddler now tanks for at least 5 minutes, like I said we have a pretty significant history and he can play well although he does get spewy. After the 2nd to 3rd minute Im pretty confident he has the nut flush. He calls...

These were everyones hands:

MP: QQ
Button: 97hh
straddler KThh

QUESTION 1
Whats my holding

44 nuf sed

Im sorry I wanted to like this thread but this is too much for me. What is the point here? You obviously have a value hand based on your last post so you want us to guess specifically which one? Fine I say AJ.

I think the biggest question I have though is if he took FOREVER on the turn to fold, how much longer is FOREVER than 5-7 minutes? Did anyone say anything while he took 5-7 minutes or did they just all sit quiet while he agonized over a river raise? Did you think about calling the clock after 2 minutes? After 5 minutes? Would you ever have called the clock?

But we aren't analysing anything here, we are just guessing what value hand you have out of 4, which really is pretty pointless.

If you want to get a hand discussion going usually it is good to post the hand because people don't like to think about one hand 5 different ways and decided which way is best because every single time you play a hand you will have one hand instead of guessing what your one hand will be.

Im sorry I was negative but it was only because I have only seen this thread a hundred times and either it is a beat story or a brag, and again it turns out correct, you just wanted to brag that you were so smart and able to flop quads.

Also I agree with you I think it is hilarious that MP folded QQ on a JJ48 board to one bet on the turn. Did he show when he folded?

One more thing, you never answered, when he took FOREVER was that longer than 5-7 minutes?

Ur behavior wasnt nice. How will people believe that ur a good player if u tilt over a simple comment...

Didnt read everything, but saw smth like "im confident button has a flush.... I hoped for a big bluff from button player...". Dont think many Players will bluff with a flush and expect to fold better flushes or boats out. And yeah seems like u have at least a boat. That's ur range, its pointless to guess which one exactly. That's simply ur typa hand and is prolly in front of any hand the villains hold.

 

Originally Posted by RedIceRap

Ur behavior wasnt nice. How will people believe that ur a good player if u tilt over a simple comment...

+1

And then sniveling over not getting any other ranked players to comment on your /sarcasm mode/ incredibly interesting post. You may have noticed that none of the instructor posters commented either and they are usually the ones to comment on cash game hands like yours. Think about it.