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Quick 1k WSOP with QQ early

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  1. The Lab Rat The Lab Rat is offline

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    Jun 5th, 2011 (6/5/2011 11:13pm)

    Ok so we're about 5 hands in the tournament. 3k starting stacks at 25/25 in the WSOP 1k. An older guy makes it 75 utg one flat from middle position and one flat from the button. I have QQ in the bb. What's your play and if you were to 3 bet, would you 3 bet/call or 3 bet/fold?

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  2. FouTight FouTight is offline international super spy

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    Jun 5th, 2011 (6/5/2011 11:26pm) in reply to The Lab Rat

    3bet-fold vs old guy ,

    if we 3bet to like 450 and he just calls I cbet every flop and if its A or K high and he calls then I abandon.
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  3. unta unta is offline

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    Jun 5th, 2011 (6/5/2011 11:49pm) in reply to FouTight

    lol @ labrat...u berate old people to their face for opening 6x in a venetian and you post this hand for advice? lol lol lol lol

    and if were gonna 3b fold why not just hood?

    fwiw, I was in this exact spot first level of a venetian. I 3b folded and felt pretty good about it and planned on 3b folding but after I did just felt like if I was gonna 3b fold its a lot better to just flat...maybe thats a little results oriented? ha
     
  4. nuttedup nuttedup is offline

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    Jun 6th, 2011 (6/6/2011 12:24am) in reply to unta

    i like 3-bet/fold as well. Old people are generally terrible and probably flat the 3-bet way more than they should.
  5. rainmanrcp rainmanrcp is offline

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    Jun 6th, 2011 (6/6/2011 4:55pm) in reply to nuttedup

    doubt you can hood a flop with qq lollllllllllllllllllllllllll

    I think 3b/ reevaluating is pretty good, I doubt you're ever gonna get 4b and if you do its a pretty clear fold. Shitty to 3b/f in general but you lose too much value by flatting when most gimp live players are fielding the flop with near any hand they raised pre with.
  6. Pghfan987 Pghfan987 is offline

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    Jun 9th, 2011 (6/9/2011 12:03am) in reply to rainmanrcp

    Define "older".
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  7. Lenail Lenail is offline

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    Jun 9th, 2011 (6/9/2011 12:24pm) in reply to Pghfan987

    In the very first hands of a live tourney where I don't know the flaw and PPL tendency, I really play carefully, maybe too much, certainly too much for Loose aggressive player but I guess I would play this hand to setmind mostly because the only way to know is to raise fold and I would not like to 3bet 450 oop and fold for 1/6th of my stack.
    Odds to hit the Q are very good if we flat and it disguise the hand very well, if a bad player hit something I feel the expected value is pretty good.
    I also try to make unorthodox play when it does not cost much and on beginning of tourney to mess ppl's mind but I really don't know the structure of these 1K event, maybe we loose too much value out of our QQ.

    On the other side, this is not a good/optimal strategy not to reraise given to the situation and I don't like to play that way but I feel the cons-argument can be worth it.

    To reply the questions, 3 bet fold seems better, I hate the old guy utg 3x it is a premium too often of the time.
    Edited By: Lenail Jun 9th, 2011 at 12:36 PM
    Reason: I need to learn to read
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