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  1. This was my 3rd time playing a live cash game ever first off. I was playing 1/2 at the Horseshoe in Hammond IN. I bought in for $90, and had around $210 when this hand happened. I was playing solid, and the only mistake I saw was only for $6.

    A limp or two, and it folds to me on the button. I raise to $8 with AcJs. SB min raises to $16. Folds around to me and I call to see a flop. It was the SB's first or second hand by the way. Flop is Q-3-6 all spades. SB leads out with $20. For some reason I felt it was a good spot for a move, I raise to $45. He insta shoves for $99 more. He was talking, saying to fold and just see the next hand.. but then he calls the clock on me. At this point I probably shouldn't have even been thinking.. but I was tilting after I put in a third of my stack already. He bet $99 into a $155 pot.. and the bet was super fast. My read was something like 1010 with the spade, and he wanted me to fold. It really looked like a bully play, because he seemed like a regular player.

    I know this was by far the worst play someone can make, and I probably wont be playing live anytime soon.. but I guess it was just letting the emotion get to me.

    Huge mistake, but I think I just am not use to action like that.. and picked the wrong hand to start moving with.

    I previously was up $260 after one night playing, and $70 the second time playing. I was going to walk away with $100+ profit, and I would have been happy.. but I wanted to go for some real money today.

    I guess my main question is if I think he is weak, can I ever call there? I mean he could have AQ with the Ace of spades, KQ with the King of spades, set of Queens or 6's, or what his hand really was.... 33. He min raised OOp with that. Kinda threw me off too.
    Load the gun.
    Edited By: Danb218 Jul 20th, 2011 at 02:20 AM
  2. I don't see where he showed any weakness. He put more money in the pot every single chance he got, I see no reason to be calling with Ace high and weak redraw. Pocket 10's is about the worst hand he would ever show up with here, which still has you beat. If you're going to put your money in on a coin-flip, do it when you're drawing to the nuts.
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    Originally Posted by wickedfamous View Post

    I don't see where he showed any weakness. He put more money in the pot every single chance he got, I see no reason to be calling with Ace high and weak redraw. Pocket 10's is about the worst hand he would ever show up with here, which still has you beat. If you're going to put your money in on a coin-flip, do it when you're drawing to the nuts.

    It was mainly how he was acting, not his bets. He was pretty arrogant, and looked like he was capable of trying to get me off a decent hand. I think it was mainly just nerves really.. I couldn't keep it together. I could have folded even after attempting the raise on the flop and still had $124 to work with. I feel it's a mistake that I shouldn't have made, but it's over now. I'm wondering too if anyone has made a stupid call like this when they in a similar position, without much live experience. I don't see me ever making the same play online, it just seemed like a particular situation where I had a shot.
    Edited By: Danb218 Jul 20th, 2011 at 02:57 AM
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  4. sounds like you got leveled
  5. with two limpers prob raise to 20, i'm not a fan of your small flop raise but it seems like a clear fold after his shove.

    his image of arrogance is good against a "spite call"
  6. When the sm bb min raises your late pos raise, sirens should immediately go off. If he 'wanted' you to fold, why would he min raise in the first place? If I bought in for $90, I would honestly consider folding pre flop, but for the sake of argument, let's assume that flatting isn't the worst option. After I completely miss the flop and he leads, I prob just fold it up and imply that I folded KK or something else utterly impossible, lol. The worst hand he should be showing up with is an Ace with a bigger flush draw..
     
  7. My guess is he has KK with the king of spades and is trying to get you to fold the ace of spades. Or he has AA with no spade.
     
  8. I think I would have given serious consideration to draining my beer and then busting it over this prick's head for talking when it's my turn to act and then calling clock on me. But yeah, I think I'm just folding to his open on the flop; even with the redraw I just dont think you're ever going to be able to play this hand with any confidence of a positive outcome.
  9. As a person who used to be a regular at horse shoe in hammond. You probably shouldnt buy in for 90 bucks in most of those 1-2 games. They play pretty deep. Also, if you are ever going to put a "play on" You shouldn't be clicking it back to 45, and locking urself in for the 99. If you are ever going to raise in this spot you should have a hand that you are willing to call it off on. With you holding the AJ in this spot, you are rarely a fav against a range ur opponent is shoving, especially, considering its his second hand at the table. Calling off here ur hoping to be against top two or a set, cause if not ur flush draw is dominated 100% of the time. Best bet if ur going to flat is to check fold or check float and see if he shuts down if a spade hits. Best of luck on the felt.
     
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    Originally Posted by wickedfamous View Post

    sounds like you got leveled

    Yeah I guess I did, I mean his play kind of sucked. Min raise with 33 OOP?? When an Ace High flop hits what does he do?

     
    Originally Posted by McManus1337 View Post

    with two limpers prob raise to 20, i'm not a fan of your small flop raise but it seems like a clear fold after his shove.

    his image of arrogance is good against a "spite call"

    Yeah, I'm not use to bet sizing in 1/2 live yet. Thanks.

     
    Originally Posted by L Rocketz View Post

    When the sm bb min raises your late pos raise, sirens should immediately go off. If he 'wanted' you to fold, why would he min raise in the first place? If I bought in for $90, I would honestly consider folding pre flop, but for the sake of argument, let's assume that flatting isn't the worst option. After I completely miss the flop and he leads, I prob just fold it up and imply that I folded KK or something else utterly impossible, lol. The worst hand he should be showing up with is an Ace with a bigger flush draw..

    The reason why sirens weren't going off was he seemed like a maniac. He couldn't wait to get some money into a pot. He tried to get into the first hand, and threw down a couple $25 chips. Then went to the cashier and came back with $100+ more. Definitely will be folding in these spots now. I thought about the bigger flush draw after, just made me think of how big of a dumbass I was for doing that. Thanks.

     
    Originally Posted by bdluss View Post

    My guess is he has KK with the king of spades and is trying to get you to fold the ace of spades. Or he has AA with no spade.

    He had 33 for a set.

     
    Originally Posted by kcd0g View Post

    I think I would have given serious consideration to draining my beer and then busting it over this prick's head for talking when it's my turn to act and then calling clock on me. But yeah, I think I'm just folding to his open on the flop; even with the redraw I just dont think you're ever going to be able to play this hand with any confidence of a positive outcome.

    Lol I thought the calling the clock thing was kind of funny, but it really influenced me to call I think. I've never been put on the spot like that. Thanks for the response.

     
    Originally Posted by hebs View Post

    As a person who used to be a regular at horse shoe in hammond. You probably shouldnt buy in for 90 bucks in most of those 1-2 games. They play pretty deep. Also, if you are ever going to put a "play on" You shouldn't be clicking it back to 45, and locking urself in for the 99. If you are ever going to raise in this spot you should have a hand that you are willing to call it off on. With you holding the AJ in this spot, you are rarely a fav against a range ur opponent is shoving, especially, considering its his second hand at the table. Calling off here ur hoping to be against top two or a set, cause if not ur flush draw is dominated 100% of the time. Best bet if ur going to flat is to check fold or check float and see if he shuts down if a spade hits. Best of luck on the felt.

    Yeah, I've noticed that most of the stacks are pretty big usually. This past Tuesday there were a few more smaller stacks then I usual see. Most of my table seemed like fish, and were pretty passive. Only one guy appeared to be playing super tight. I guess the reason why I thought I had more outs was because of his super aggressive image. It would have been only right if I hit my spade. Very next hand I pushed for $25 with KK, and he called quick with like a6 lol. He had a platinum card and everything, fuck him. Thanks a lot, but I don't think I am going to be playing soon. After I lost $200+ in the span of 10 mins or less I feel so much less confidence in my game, like I never even knew how to play to begin with. Sucks, but I just need to figure some things out I guess.
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  11. Dont get discouraged man....keep posting hands you have questions on. Its an easy way to get better, also you wont improve your game if you dont play. Just need to work on the nuances of the game. Dedication is the key to success. Best of luck man.
     
  12. Honestly I probs would have folded pre. A min raise to 16 is just really fishy, and the type of hands hes likely to do so with have you crushed most of the time. If you want to call I'd shut down post flop after he leads cause he probs gotcha beat
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    Originally Posted by Hartford Whaler View Post

    Honestly I probs would have folded pre. A min raise to 16 is just really fishy, and the type of hands hes likely to do so with have you crushed most of the time. If you want to call I'd shut down post flop after he leads cause he probs gotcha beat


    im not folding to an out of position pre min raise for this amount in a cash gm or plan on getting walkd on.........he created dictatorship by doing this ,thn he spikes a set perfect for him obv. him calling time is bullshit.but i do prefer players too talk if they want too his actions showed he was strong and his talkn and call of time showed he didnt want u spiking a spade..
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  14. Raise more pre otb with AJo after 2 limpers. Make it like $15 or $16 imo and the hand becomes exponentially easier to play on all streets... I don't think u played the hand terribly post flop, tho it woulda been more standard to get it in if u had the As as opposed to the Js.
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    Originally Posted by hebs View Post

    Dont get discouraged man....keep posting hands you have questions on. Its an easy way to get better, also you wont improve your game if you dont play. Just need to work on the nuances of the game. Dedication is the key to success. Best of luck man.

    best post itt

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