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weird spot with 20bbs in live 550 tourney

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  1. Archie1106 Archie1106 is offline

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    Nov 14th, 2011 (11/14/2011 1:50am)

    have 80k avg is 125k blinds 2k, 4k. 22 left.

    utg plus 4 have two good players on my left. decent young player on my right opens to 11k, large raise for him has been raising between 9-10k.

    i have 99. not sure to fold, call, raise, or push.

    what about 10 or jj or ak in the same spot.

    or 88 77 aq.

    i have a fairly tight image
  2. P33J P33J is offline

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    Nov 14th, 2011 (11/14/2011 2:15am) in reply to Archie1106

    Would be helpful if we could get some info on stack sizes around the table. I would jam though most of the time. His larger than average raise would seem to indicate to me that he doesn't really want anyone to flat and probably would just prefer to take it down pre. Obv this is just my take on the hand but if he is a decent player who isn't playing too tight I would shove all of the hands that you asked about.
     
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    Nov 14th, 2011 (11/14/2011 2:21am) in reply to P33J

    opener has about 85k. direct on left has 100k and 2 on left has about 200k. everyone else is between 60-100k that is still in hand
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    Nov 14th, 2011 (11/14/2011 3:19am) in reply to Archie1106

     
    Originally Posted by Archie1106 View Post

    opener has about 85k. direct on left has 100k and 2 on left has about 200k. everyone else is between 60-100k that is still in hand

    Do you think he is the kind of player who ever raise/folds here to one shove or is he only raising with premiums that he will call off with? With his stack size that is going to be the deciding factor in how wide you should be shoving, since he raised bigger than his standard I would assume you can take AA and KK out of his range which would make it look something like this

    equity win tie pots won pots tied
    Hand 0: 54.003% 52.95% 01.05% 310075164 6173022.00 { QQ-88, AQs+, AQo+ }
    Hand 1: 45.997% 44.94% 01.05% 263186760 6173022.00 { 99 }

    If the answer is you don't know then i am comfortable enough shoving 9s thinking that most people are folding here some amount of time to pull the trigger
     
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    Nov 14th, 2011 (11/14/2011 3:38am) in reply to P33J

    id deff lean on getting it in and letting it ride if the decent player is young and looks like he knows what hes doing, this can easily be a wide range of hands.

    have you ever seen him raise/fold? , if that was his 1st open in 20-30 hands then be prepared to flip or be dominated.
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    Nov 14th, 2011 (11/14/2011 3:46am) in reply to Crystal extacY

    Easy shove imo. You really have no play here but shove/fold, no matter what your holding is. I would shove 55+ and aj+.
     
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    Nov 14th, 2011 (11/14/2011 4:01am) in reply to iamthedeck ftw

     
    Originally Posted by iamthedeck ftw View Post

    Easy shove imo. You really have no play here but shove/fold, no matter what your holding is. I would shove 55+ and aj+.

    yeah...I'm shoving 99 here no prob. He has to be a real nit for me to be folding 99
     
  8. Archie1106 Archie1106 is offline

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    Nov 14th, 2011 (11/14/2011 4:42pm) in reply to P0KERDUUDE

    he has opened and folded before but all the raises were smaller and had an odd denomination this was an even 11k which was different.

    it threw me off a bit but i thought about it for a minute and shoved it in hoping to take down the 20k pot.

    he snapped me with aa
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