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<p>I agree with you. We cant be sure if this is a good move or not, but it sure has the ingredients to spice up the game. It's about time the FT gets the attention it deserves.</p>
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<p>What a joke ! Who's masterplan was this ? ESPN or the Rio ?</p>
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<p>The biggest point that is left out of the debate is if poker is to go the way of say Golf (many many parallells can be draw between how golf emerged as a pro event and what is currently going on now in poker) where the prize pools are paid by sponsors these events better pull in the kinds of cash that golf does. </p>
<p>We the players talk about all the money we make but for some Fortune 500 company is going to fork over 5 million for prize money they have to make at least double or triple that in exposure or potential sales. That means charging for this that and the other thing, cost effective organization of events, and coming up with new and innovative ways to make the product saleable to more non-poker with the additional goal to marginalize anti-poker people.</p>
<p>Harrahs and ESPN are not perfect and has made mistakes (I cant believe televising side action helps our cause outside the poker community) but the event is profitable and the more profitable it gets the more money we all will make in the long run. Remember one of the top rules of business is a rising tide raises all ships. We as players are small boats on a big ocean but we will benefit down the road. </p>
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<p>Good article. I have read most of the posts during the last few days and feel as if I am the only one that is excited to at least see how this plays out. It has the potential to be great for poker, and if it flops they will assuredly go back to the traditional format.</p>
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<p>good article finally i read a diff opinion bout it...</p>
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<p>BEST ARTICLE EVER!</p>
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<p>Well written and fatallly flawed. </p>
<p> This "change" cannot be compared to any other mentioned, this change greatly alters the game itself and what it takes to win the event. It is a travesty. </p>
<p>Is it good for business? I suppose it is, and that's all that matter's in sport/game/life if we listen to you. I'll pass.</p>
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<p>Comparing moving the tournament from the Horseshoe to the Rio, or televising prelim events, to this change is the only absurdity in what was otherwise a really good article.</p>
<p>No other change in covering, televising, or promoting the game has provided information about how someone has been playing in the middle of a tournament. Protecting your image while play is ongoing is indeed important, part of the "integrity" of the game. I think it's worth screaming over.</p>
<p>Will the benefits of this change help the game, and trickle down to benefit the players, enough to sacrifice that integrity? We shall wait and see.</p>
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<p>Thanks for the article, I was just wondering if they would add money from the interest barring accounts.</p>
<p>They are talking about millions on the table and it could make alot of extra cheese in just 4 short months.</p>
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<p>Cabo,</p>
<p>Obviously it's not ALL that matters - but in the end, I think it will the positives (or potential for positives) outweigh the hit to the intergrity of the event.</p>
<p>-shronk</p>
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<p>Grapsfan,</p>
<p>Thanks for the compliment first off. Second, this change is surely completely different than the others, but it's positive affect could also be greater than the others.</p>
<p>Basically, I acknowledge that potential for catastrophe is there, but the potential benefits make it worth the gamble - especially since it's so easy to change back.</p>
<p>-shronk</p>
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<p>It remains to be seen how this will work out, but I wish all of the supporters would stop trying to sugar coat & convince everyone that this will be of any benefit to anyone in the short run. The long run? Well that remains to be seen.</p>
<p>This will be a huge potential money maker for a very small hand full of name pros as well as the corporations involved, period.</p>
<p>Buzz, sponsorships, endorsements??</p>
<p>When was the last time anyone offered anything but a very small stipend or very end loaded deal (based on finish maybe) to an unknown player in any game or event. They don't.</p>
<p>Extra cash?</p>
<p>The extra cash from the months of delay are nothing compared to what will be made by the corporations involved & again as very small group of known pros.</p>
<p>Will this help out the game? I remains to be seen. This will be a great situation for any known, bankable pro who may make the final table. Endorsement/sponsorships may be greater than 1st place money. But, Please stop trying to present this as a great thing for 99.9% of the players involved, including most of what will sure be unknown final table players. </p>
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<p>Acesfull,</p>
<p>Even if it isn't a "great thing for 99.9%" of players, what exactly makes it bad for them? If a change will benefit a small number of people greatly and be virtually benign to the rest, then utilitarianism says the change is good.</p>
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<p>Great article. Yes, the delay isn't the most perfect solution. Far from it. But poker is a business, just like the NFL is a business. If the bottom line isn't being met, if poker as a whole is waning in popularity like it is, something must change. In 2004, a lot of the attraction to the new player watching the WSOP Main Event week to week was the mystery. Back then, not everyone checked a site like p5 every day. Every episode was fresh, and we were able to see hands like they were happening right at that moment.</p>
<p>Well, now the excitement is gone. As soon as someone wins an event, especially the Main Event, the poker world knows about it. In the case of the Main Event, easily the most watched event on the circuit, most everyone knows the winner well before it airs on television. The mystery has disappeared.</p>
<p>It seems like the underlying effort behind the final table delay is to bring back the excitement. Hopefully this will spark something in the average viewer who doesn't already play, and there are plenty potential customers out there. Hopefully they will play a tournament next time they are in Vegas, or maybe make their first increasingly difficult deposit online.</p>
<p>In the long term, this helps the rest of us that have some experience. New players are what makes poker profitable. While I agree that a few month delay is not ideal, I don't believe that it makes the event not worth playing. It is an effort by the powers that be to bring the excitement back to the televised Main Event, which is what caused most poker players these days to begin playing in the first place.</p>
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<p>Shronk,</p>
<p>Well written article. I hope that this change has a positive effect on the game...we shall see.</p>
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<p>Kudo's to AJNVT for finding the "problem" that is being solved with a move. </p>
<p> Now we can get the results for free instead of watching the game taped with commercials and other placement ads. This year want the resutls in real time we have to watch the live feed and the internet will follow behind. </p>
<p>As far as some others remarks. I hope it does benefit the top pros. They are far more entertaining than most newbie nternet players. While the newbies are very talented they dont know how to be entertaining for TV. I remember the WPT-PCA last year. I thought the play was awful and the show dull. </p>
<p>I would rather have a bunch of experienced TV pros and a few new hot shots. No matter who gets to the final table there will now be TV pros behind them with inside commentary on the player they helped (remember Chan and Jamie Gold? Expect more of that.) There will be our favorite pro player, if not in the game, in the audience offering on the fly advice. </p>
<p>People just keep an open mind. This could be very interesting.</p>
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<p>I don't think many people have realised that this is a major CF. Ok I reach the final table because its a crap shoot and I'm running good I might have a chance to win the WSOP.</p>
<p>Forward 5 months I have been running bad can't play I'm out in 8th good money but when there is 9 on the FT you want the title.</p>
<p>As expected, this news has received a mixed reaction. Comments have been made with a multitude of questions being asked, but Harrah;’s has asked that the poker community place their trust in them to run a professional event and deal with any problems that may arise. </p>
<p>Some concerns are what happens if a player cannot make it back to play in the final table? What is the risk of collusion? What about deal making? Will the players be safe from any threats that may be made? </p>
<p>Harrah’s is asking for the trust of the poker community, but knows it is impossible to predict every possible situation.</p>
<p>Harrah's just remember me when I spend $2000 to fly over from the UK and watch the WSOP main event and the final table I really don't want to be flying back in November.</p>
<p>Its gone weird. I predict it won't work.</p>
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<p>the point about interest and a 'bigger prize pool' is totally moot, because players would immediately put the money into an interest bearing account after winning, and thus earn the same interest on that money. You'd think you could do better than bank interest yourself actually.</p>
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<p>this would be understandable if they did it for every major tournament, WPT main events, EPT main events etc. Every large tourny delayed its FT until after the prelim episodes were made would be progress, just like hole card camera's. </p>
<p>This isnt.</p>
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<p>ok so 10 weeks isnt 16 weeks. Thats good news so less chance at some things happening. Ya so if you donk ass in 6th place, your gonna be "famous" and everyone will know you. Eh..id rather be forgotten and have immunity from being famous. You dont remember who was at the previous final tables? great! You want to know everyone at the final table? Ef that.</p>
<p>Answer this, </p>
<p>Are they gonna show every hand at the final table? Is this gonna be a 12 hr broadcast? Are we gonna lose our option to watch it online and see every hand?</p>
<p>Explain to me how they will benefit from becomming "famous" after we know all about them and they still lose? </p>
<p>As a fan, i hate this..i guess as a player, eh screw it.. i still hate this. I want my internet 12 hour live party and you shouldnt take that away from me dammit!!!!</p>
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<p>"If a change will benefit a small number of people greatly and be virtually benign to the rest, then utilitarianism says the change is good."</p>
<p>Ironically, the above statement is only true for those who the change will benefit the most. Obviously those with the most to gain, will have this outlook upon the change at hand. If the best interest of the average player is really at the forefront of the WSOP decision making process, then this one needs to be rethought IMO. </p>
<p>"Obviously it's not ALL that matters - but in the end, I think it will the positives (or potential for positives) outweigh the hit to the intergrity of the event." -Shronk</p>
<p>At what point do we draw the line of compromise? What portion of the game would need to take a hit for any change made to have "too much" of a negative impact to make it "worth the gamble". </p>
<p>Integrity of the game is what makes it pure. It's also what made poker what it is today. Watching players duke it out on the felt with no knowledge of who your oponent is, or what their style, is in large part one of the most exciting of circumstances. If this were a PPV event (and that's not very far fetched shortly down the road, now is it?), I'd pay more money to watch somebody battle the unexpected, than to see an organized and constructed game plan which will no doubt make for a less eventful Final Table.</p>
<p>Finally I'd like to say that, integrity is the one part of the game you cannot put a price tag on. I don't care who it benefits, or how much it benefits them. If you start to compromise the basis for the game itself, to make money, you have changed the game. Also, whether you or I, or anybody else would like to admit it, the fact remains that an unfair advantage will be given to the players with more experience and a better network of assets at their disposal (professional players to be exact). I,for one, will be rooting for the "little guy"....even if the deck is stacked against him. </p>
<p>Shannon</p>
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<p>How is money being added to the prize pool?</p>
<p>If they held the final table the next day as usual, and paid out that day as usual, the players would have the money 4 months earlier and could put it in an interest bearing account as well for the same period of time.</p>
<p>If actual real money is being added then that is something else, and I apologize for not being up on all of the details if this is the case.</p>
<p>sheets</p>
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<p>lazystudent said:</p>
<p>"Ok I reach the final table because its a crap shoot and I'm running good I might have a chance to win the WSOP.</p>
<p>Forward 5 months I have been running bad can't play I'm out in 8th "</p>
<p>Good point, what if your luck runs out during the break - how is that fair???</p>
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<p>Sheets,</p>
<p>I was assuming that A) Harrah's could get a better interest rate than the average Joe could, B) At least some of the players wouldn't get their money from Harrah's right away, and C) some of the players would neglect to put the money in any kind of interest-bearing account at all.</p>
<p>Obviously some of them would, but in the end I think there is still more money added to the prizepool than the individuals would have been able to accumulate on their on in that time.</p>
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<p>Fair...lifes not fair. Those that hold on to the way that is was as "pure" what does that mean. If the main event goes live this year it will be jsut like the superbowl, the world series (of baseball), the final 4, the stanley cup championship et. al ... Played live in front of a paying audience. This is the dawning of poker as a legitimate pro sport. Where it ends up will be a far cry from Binions but thats the influence of big money in sports and its not a bad thing! Someone (in this case Harrah's) has to make a lot of money to organize the event and it make it profitable for other monied interests to want to contribute.</p>
<p>Ask yourselves this? What if the world series of poker had a 1 million dollar overlay? Would that be a bad or a good thing? This day is out on the Horizon and we will see it unless of course the purists have their way.</p>
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<p>You are changing the entire tournament when you do this. Why would you mess with the integrity of the most popular poker tournament in the world? What are the odds that the masses of players and viewers will say "oh geez, this is a fantastic idea"? I'll tell you the odds. Diddley freakin' squat.</p>
<p>Some things in Poker are common sense, and that certainly includes playing out a tournament to it's completion without a multiple month break, even if it would bring in a little extra dough. You're HARRAHS, I think you can sacrifice an incredibly microscopic % of your profits to keep the integrity of the tournament in tact.</p>
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<p>sup shronk...i think the time period opens up a world of collusion, deal making, and possibly team play against others. Doesn't the 3-4 months offer a time period to alter the outcome somehow?? It may be a small edge, but the edge defineately switchs from regular play, with alot of table time logged (reads included) ect in the week played, to possible teams and soft play agains chip leader....I think it really fucks the game up. But if its for the money, not the game, then so be it....pump up the prize pool and promotions.</p>
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<p>UIGEA. Jamie Gold. Online Cheating scandals. </p>
<p>When the history of the decline of poker is wrtten, this change in the WSOP ME FT schedule will be seen as just another error in a long line of misplaced bets.</p>
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