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Article: The Evolution of Poker

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  1. AJKHoosier1 AJKHoosier1 is offline

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    May 6th, 2008 (5/6/2008 1:01am)

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  2. DJam21 DJam21 is offline

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    May 6th, 2008 (5/6/2008 3:47am) in reply to AJKHoosier1

    <p>Well that just takes meta-game to a whole new level dunnit.</p>
  3. paul328 paul328 is offline

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    May 6th, 2008 (5/6/2008 4:19am) in reply to AJKHoosier1

    <p>i'm a beginner, and i was thinking about that topic the other day. </p>
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    May 6th, 2008 (5/6/2008 4:38am) in reply to AJKHoosier1

    <p>this is really spot on, as i think many people fail to realize that in poker, it doesnt matter how good your opponent might play, as long as you are able to make better decisions than him based on what you know about his play, so as you said, its all about staying ahead of the curve, and being able to counter what is thought of as "standard" play.</p>
     
  5. andressoprano andressoprano is offline whaddya think of my game?

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    May 6th, 2008 (5/6/2008 4:56am) in reply to AJKHoosier1

    <p>Absolutely agree. What's funny it's that playing low stakes tourneys, you find out right away who the weaker players are: Those making the moves that were the " right " ones 6 months ago. Maybe they saw a "pro"making that move once, and they got stuck to it, doing the same thing over and over again. </p>
    <p>Excellent article AJK</p>
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  6. The ChAOS! The ChAOS! is offline

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    May 6th, 2008 (5/6/2008 4:59am) in reply to AJKHoosier1

    <p>One MILLION BILLION GILLION KACHILLION</p>
  7. LVpokerdealer LVpokerdealer is offline

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    May 6th, 2008 (5/6/2008 5:02am) in reply to AJKHoosier1

    <p>AJK is tha man! Very nice article!</p>
  8. andressoprano andressoprano is offline whaddya think of my game?

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    May 6th, 2008 (5/6/2008 5:08am) in reply to AJKHoosier1

    <p>Excellent article AJK. Pretty soon what we used to know as "A B C " poker will be " A B C D E  F G H I J  K", and the successful ones will be those who can play " A B .....X Y Z " poker. </p>
    <p>Wait.....It hasn't been always that way? </p>
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    May 6th, 2008 (5/6/2008 5:23am) in reply to AJKHoosier1

    <p>great article ajk you might inspire me to come out of retirement for an article. but a little anecdote regarding this topic...a few months ago i ran into a spot against amak316 where i flopped a set of sevens on a very dry board. it was J7x rainbow and we were both pretty deep with about 80bbs each. I was in the bb and decided to take a check/call line on all three streets because I felt he would try to get in 3 streets of value if he did in fact have an overpair or even AJ. He had KK and I stacked him. It's just very interesting to use the exact same line that I would have used had I literally just started playing poker and for two wayyyy different reasons. So yes, there won't be any 8betting going on anytime soon but metagame has definitely come full circle and is well on it's way around again.</p>
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  10. MrFelter MrFelter is offline

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    May 6th, 2008 (5/6/2008 5:49am) in reply to AJKHoosier1

    <p>I completely agree and believe I am on the front lines of this poker evolution as a low-mid stakes player. I have been a pxf member for about 4 months and my thought process has drastically changed since, the squeeze play is now standard for me in $5-$10 tourny's and I see it used by other players at this level. Like AJK said, this is not a problem for a player who understands the cyclical nature of the game. The top players will adapt the strategy and the squeeze play will become ineffective by the time it becomes common knowledge to the general poker public . Even the pxf videos from >10 months ago seen a little outdated in their game theory. Thanks for the read and the thoughts AK.</p>
  11. Mr_BigQueso Mr_BigQueso is offline

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    May 6th, 2008 (5/6/2008 6:03am) in reply to AJKHoosier1

    <p>some pristine shadowing done by the photographer.</p>
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    May 6th, 2008 (5/6/2008 1:17pm) in reply to AJKHoosier1

    <p>great article AJK</p>
    <p>one other point i think is relevant here is that sometimes online players are on all different levels of this cycle, so paying attention and trying to figure that out is sometimes the biggest challenge</p>
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    May 6th, 2008 (5/6/2008 1:29pm) in reply to AJKHoosier1

    <p>You mean there will be a day when I don't get called down to the river by an opponent holding 93o?  OMG!</p>
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    May 6th, 2008 (5/6/2008 1:43pm) in reply to AJKHoosier1

    <p>Since the game changes in cycles, I plan to keep my once winning style (current losing style) until it becomes a winning style again.  PLEASE HURRY!</p>
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    May 6th, 2008 (5/6/2008 1:58pm) in reply to AJKHoosier1

    <p>Well said online poker and live poker are 2 diffrent animals. I am trying to learn to switch from live mode to online mode. It can be a tough change sometimes. </p>
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    May 6th, 2008 (5/6/2008 1:59pm) in reply to AJKHoosier1

    <p>very nice article AJK, makes you think no matter what level your playing at, high stakes like your self or low limits like myself, that you always need to be evolving your game.  Do you think that when a new player or an inexperienced one makes it far in a high stakes MTT, Sun Mil for example, that it is tougher for you pros to play against them? That their style throws u off? Good read def makes me re examine my game, would have loved to have been your friend watching you play for sure.</p>
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    May 6th, 2008 (5/6/2008 2:12pm) in reply to AJKHoosier1

    <p>I wanted to send a pm mid article to say how right on point this is.  Really great writing and shows how fast a game can progress in a  short period of time.</p>
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    May 6th, 2008 (5/6/2008 2:17pm) in reply to AJKHoosier1

    <p>Nice article dooooooooode</p>
     
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    May 6th, 2008 (5/6/2008 2:18pm) in reply to AJKHoosier1

    <p>problem is for me I'm playing the re re re re steal. How do I know where to come back too</p>
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    May 6th, 2008 (5/6/2008 3:08pm) in reply to AJKHoosier1

    <p>Nice article, good read...</p>
    <p>Ending quote says it all</p>
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    May 6th, 2008 (5/6/2008 3:08pm) in reply to AJKHoosier1

    <p>Yes, I agree with your sentiments that the game is evolving quicker.  However, it is difficult to compare the online world and the live poker world.  They are two different animals and one could actually argue that the live poker world is changing faster, but it just kept more secret.  People tend to blab too often online because their identity is concealed.  If they were smarter, they would keep quiet and not let pride get in the way of profit as is mostly the case in the live poker world.</p>
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    May 6th, 2008 (5/6/2008 3:46pm) in reply to AJKHoosier1

    <p>Spot on article. I remember watching jjprodigy deep in the 500k on party 2 or 3 years ago, he would open raise almost every hand and the table would fold around nearly every time. No way that happens now at the higher buyins. They 3 bet with any 2 at the higher levels now. If you play the lower buyins on donk sites though, you can still find tables of autofolders!</p>
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    May 6th, 2008 (5/6/2008 4:17pm) in reply to AJKHoosier1

    <p>Good article but I think it misses the point.</p>
    <p>If you are ever playing a style that everyone is playing then this has to be considered playing bad. There can be no "style" that ever works. One has to know all the styles and mix it up so that no better player knows you are playing any style.</p>
    <p>In your example with the KK you had to know that the other player knew what a bet of a given size meant. Implying that he was an above average player who knew it. So next time do you shove the KK? or raise some other oddball amount? The point being to be an above averge player you have to be a master of decetpion.</p>
    <p>Plus seeing the patterns is half the battle taking actions that are "off the grid" requires a level of (something) that many players will never have. That something has been called many things, confidence, skill, fearlessness, etc.....  Whenever I grow a set of brass ones, Ill be dangerous.</p>
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    May 6th, 2008 (5/6/2008 5:10pm) in reply to AJKHoosier1

    <p>The man has spoken.</p>
     
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    May 6th, 2008 (5/6/2008 5:51pm) in reply to AJKHoosier1

    <p>My first comment, good article, better quote. </p>
     
  26. mediocreIam mediocreIam is offline

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    May 6th, 2008 (5/6/2008 6:22pm) in reply to AJKHoosier1

    <p>Very good point that players easily forget. You can't just play ABC or your style and expect to keep seeing the same results bc ABC is alway changing.</p>
    <p>From another Btowner, Good job.</p>
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    May 6th, 2008 (5/6/2008 7:02pm) in reply to AJKHoosier1

    <p>sick quote</p>
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    May 6th, 2008 (5/6/2008 7:28pm) in reply to AJKHoosier1

    <p>well written as always keep em comming </p>
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    May 6th, 2008 (5/6/2008 8:13pm) in reply to AJKHoosier1

    <p>basically tourney poker is just coming down to push and pray luckbox bull shiat... plus we have a million online pros so whos, who of poker now.. its just all luck</p>
     
  30. razorpoker2002 razorpoker2002 is offline

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    May 6th, 2008 (5/6/2008 11:30pm) in reply to AJKHoosier1

    <p>explains why u 3bet shoved me for 40BB a couple months back with KQ in the tilt 55k and OBV get bailed out vs my AK on river. can u write an article about running good or running bad for us and how to overcome it     please!!!!!! nice article btw</p>
     
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