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Article: Greed Gone Wild - WSOP Final Table Rescheduled

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  1. grapsfan grapsfan is offline Head Curmudgeon

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    May 2nd, 2008 (5/2/2008 4:42pm)

     
  2. Bohnett Bohnett is offline

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    May 2nd, 2008 (5/2/2008 5:05pm) in reply to grapsfan

    <p>I like the WPT more anyway.</p>
  3. JohnnyGstaks JohnnyGstaks is offline

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    May 2nd, 2008 (5/2/2008 5:12pm) in reply to grapsfan

    <p>I dont like the idea of this 1 bit!! nice read graps.</p>
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  4. Tchmaster Tchmaster is offline

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    May 2nd, 2008 (5/2/2008 5:13pm) in reply to grapsfan

    <p>giant bag of cash FTW lol</p>
  5. KenRogers KenRogers is offline

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    May 2nd, 2008 (5/2/2008 5:21pm) in reply to grapsfan

    <p>I didn't know the WSOP was run by the same people that run college football and the BCS.</p>
     
  6. HiRaX HiRaX is offline

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    May 2nd, 2008 (5/2/2008 5:25pm) in reply to grapsfan

    <p>wp sir</p>
  7. BudmansCom BudmansCom is offline

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    May 2nd, 2008 (5/2/2008 5:45pm) in reply to grapsfan

    <p>Great analysis, Graps</p>
  8. Insider Insider is offline

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    May 2nd, 2008 (5/2/2008 6:14pm) in reply to grapsfan

    <p>Timr for the the 6000+ internet players to boycott the main event and turn it back over to the top 500 pros to play for a $1.5 mil first prize (aka pre-Moneymaker event) and zero TV ratings.</p>
  9. CP_MagiciaN CP_MagiciaN is offline

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    May 2nd, 2008 (5/2/2008 6:29pm) in reply to grapsfan

    <p>great article</p>
     
  10. mathclub mathclub is offline

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    May 2nd, 2008 (5/2/2008 6:46pm) in reply to grapsfan

    <p>someone else run a 10k tourney with 6k players next year. this sucks.  graps his the nail on the head once again.</p>
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  11. ezlee47 ezlee47 is offline

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    May 2nd, 2008 (5/2/2008 6:49pm) in reply to grapsfan

    <p>the way to combat greed is to hit their pocketbooks. nobody should buy ANY  WSOP gear. in past years I have bought a jacket, couple shirts. NONE this year or until they change the way the final table is to be played now.</p>
  12. B_O_K_E B_O_K_E is offline

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    May 2nd, 2008 (5/2/2008 7:23pm) in reply to grapsfan

    <p>Very good</p>
     
  13. badonkadonk badonkadonk is offline

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    May 2nd, 2008 (5/2/2008 7:48pm) in reply to grapsfan

    <p>great article. agree 100 percent.</p>
     
  14. soccerfreakjj10 soccerfreakjj10 is offline

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    May 2nd, 2008 (5/2/2008 8:01pm) in reply to grapsfan

    <p>excellent article. Something has to be done.</p>
  15. JKamikazeKid JKamikazeKid is offline

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    May 2nd, 2008 (5/2/2008 8:41pm) in reply to grapsfan

    <p>Why doesn't Binion's create a similar tournament and have it coincide with their "Binion's Poker Classic"?  Since the Poker Classic ends in early July, hold the $10K Championship in Mid-July.  The WSOP started at Binion's...why not bring it back with the Binion name?  Graps is my hero.</p>
  16. FMRMX27 FMRMX27 is offline

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    May 2nd, 2008 (5/2/2008 8:55pm) in reply to grapsfan

    <p>easy thing to do. Dont play the WSOP so they notice that players and viewers really matter!!</p>
  17. brent2thed brent2thed is offline

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    May 2nd, 2008 (5/2/2008 9:45pm) in reply to grapsfan

    <p>I agree, but then again poker is after all about making money.  It does favor the pros and better players, but as a poker player that makes money in live cash games I enjoy the time around the WSOP because more torists come out to play.  I will now have almost 6 months of time to make more money because of the crazy number of people wanting to play during and just after the WSOP.  Plus if I was lucky enough to make it to the final table I would enjoy the time between to make extra money via sponsorships and such.  The only guy that won't like the idea will be the low stack guy that no one really wants to sponsor cause he might not be around long.</p>
    <p>I do have to admit though the hole idea is kind a stupid and really isn't good over all for the game.  My reasons for benefiting from it are purly selfish.  </p>
  18. ShadowBJ21 ShadowBJ21 is offline

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    May 2nd, 2008 (5/2/2008 10:08pm) in reply to grapsfan

    <p>Great article, well said.</p>
    <p>And yes, ofcourse. Most will play there again.</p>
    <p>Boycot to show our concerns? Another great idea unfortunately this can backfire. Lower attendance, lower TV-ratings and Harrahs & ESPN might decide that it isn't worth to deal with the WSOP anymore.</p>
    <p>When the WSOP was sold to Harrahs it was saved on one hand (otherwise it most probably wouldn't exist anymore) but on the other hand (and we all knew it) was from now on bound to the devil (of commerce).</p>
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    May 2nd, 2008 (5/2/2008 11:29pm) in reply to grapsfan

    <p>Obviously ESPN is paying Harrah's for this move. Where's the extra money for the players? Why doesn't ESPN double whatever the prizepool is? </p>
    <p>I may still play some prelim events this year, but not the Main Event. This was a dumb idea that can only hurt the WSOP brand for Harrahs.</p>
  20. TMLMS13 TMLMS13 is offline

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    May 3rd, 2008 (5/3/2008 12:10am) in reply to grapsfan

    <p>wp sir</p>
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    May 3rd, 2008 (5/3/2008 12:25am) in reply to grapsfan

    <p>This is EASILY the best article/comments that I've read about this subject.  We can all hope that this deboucle will only be for this year, and next year things go back to normal.</p>
  22. pokerfan X pokerfan X is offline

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    May 3rd, 2008 (5/3/2008 12:33am) in reply to grapsfan

    <p>The PPA is now a million members strong. It's time it became more than a one issue organization and polled and then represented its constituency of poker players regarding our feelings about our constant exploitation at the hands of Harrahs' and the WSOP and all TV event tournaments.</p>
    <p>If the PPA flexed its membership power, the M.E. could quickly become a rake-free event and even have value added to the prize pool the way that virtually all other televised sporting events do. </p>
    <p>This would be easier to accomplish than the Washington D.C. lobbying effort because no laws need to be changed. It is the PPA who should be representing us vs Harrah's and not a WSOP "Players Committee" which is made up of site owners like Lederer and site sponsored players like Negreanu whose motives just aren't aligned with the typical M.E. entrant.</p>
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    May 3rd, 2008 (5/3/2008 1:18am) in reply to grapsfan

    <p>Be interested if they took a poll of the Main event entrants. I'm 50/50 on this but like the idea of squeezing corporate sponsorship as per BrentD22</p>
     
  24. Bballmike222 Bballmike222 is offline

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    May 3rd, 2008 (5/3/2008 2:40am) in reply to grapsfan

    <p>wow every1 is making a big fuss over this. i dont really understand why. who cares! it only affects 9 people, and if ur one of those 9 im sure ur not gonna be pissed off that u just made the final table of the wsop. plus just think about it, when u get home for those next 4 months u will be living ur normal life but feel like a rock star lol. if ur so much against this then its simple just dont play. every1 always has to bitch about everything. just accept it, things do change. sports schedules have changed over the years baseball use to be 147 games they went deeper in the months now 162games. u dont think they did that for more money? lol.  if they thought they could make millions for having a baseball game in november theres no doubt they would. its all about the money isnt that the reason we play poker?</p>
     
  25. ZingZealZest ZingZealZest is offline

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    May 3rd, 2008 (5/3/2008 7:18am) in reply to grapsfan

    <p>Agree 100%! Terrible thing they've done to the Main Event. I hope someone starts a website or some kind of petition and we can change this. Keep us updated</p>
     
  26. King10Sooted King10Sooted is offline

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    May 3rd, 2008 (5/3/2008 2:29pm) in reply to grapsfan

    <p>This is one of the worst things to ever happen to poker.  It is being completly taken over by corporations and the meadia like the rest of the country.  I hope someone steps in and trys to change this in the future atleast. </p>
  27. papaGEORGIOOO papaGEORGIOOO is offline

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    May 3rd, 2008 (5/3/2008 6:22pm) in reply to grapsfan

    <p>"Ultimate Bet explicitly allows bots and multi-accounters in their cash games and does nothing to respond to a high-stakes scandal of their own?"   Ever wonder why cards come after delays on flop,turn, or river?  UB bots sometimes overload the system when trying to manipulate the software on too many tables causing delays.  Pos cash game cheats should gth.</p>
  28. stilwrkin8t7 stilwrkin8t7 is offline

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    May 4th, 2008 (5/4/2008 9:43am) in reply to grapsfan

    <p>I think there is 1 great solution to this...UNIONIZE  players!!!Elect a prez  and a board , pay dues, and any changes to these events need   to be brought to the union for a vote. If they make changes w/o our consent we boycott and picket the bastards. </p>
  29. conan99 conan99 is offline

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    May 5th, 2008 (5/5/2008 9:00am) in reply to grapsfan

    <p>douchebag and a jesus calling recluse ????just say gold and yang why bring jesus into this..anyhow i always love the read and repect your opinion...and i totally agree with you on this......unreal bs</p>
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    May 5th, 2008 (5/5/2008 6:05pm) in reply to grapsfan

    <p>The thing is, nobody is going to boycott the main event. In fact, they'll have 8,000 players this year. </p>
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