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Article: Liar, Liar

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  1. Zpaceman Zpaceman is offline

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    Apr 21st, 2008 (4/21/2008 9:47pm)

     
  2. steve steve is offline

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    Apr 21st, 2008 (4/21/2008 11:41pm) in reply to Zpaceman

    <p>I saw this movie once, it was called Liar Liar.  And the message was, don't lie.  And that was a smart movie.</p>
  3. TheFirm53 TheFirm53 is offline

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    Apr 21st, 2008 (4/21/2008 11:44pm) in reply to Zpaceman

    <p>really enjoyed your piece, thanks for including the hand replayer it really adds a lot to the article. No way you could call that bet in the third hand.</p>
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    Apr 21st, 2008 (4/21/2008 11:48pm) in reply to Zpaceman

    <p>Very nice article. Thank you for your many contributions.</p>
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  5. openartery openartery is offline

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    Apr 22nd, 2008 (4/22/2008 12:51am) in reply to Zpaceman

    <p>Thanks for another great article.  I also enjoyed the replayer and thought that it added a lot to the article.  Best of luck at the tables.</p>
  6. TheConArtist TheConArtist is offline

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    Apr 22nd, 2008 (4/22/2008 1:48am) in reply to Zpaceman

    <p>The key to reading this bluff was my opponents check on the flop. If he had any kind of a hand at that stage, I would expect a bet.</p>
    <p>That was the first hand. Do you really think if he had a strong hand on the flop he would donk into you after limp calling? I think quite the opposite, he would check here a very large percentage of the time with a made hand. Not to say i think the A high call is bad but the logic behind your read of him bluffing is flawed imo.</p>
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    Apr 22nd, 2008 (4/22/2008 2:03am) in reply to Zpaceman

    <p>can anyone explain to me how "ILUVBIGCHICKS" is a loose screen name player tell?</p>
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    Apr 22nd, 2008 (4/22/2008 2:45am) in reply to Zpaceman

    <p>Very innovative article, good stuff Z</p>
  9. chiktzbaao chiktzbaao is offline

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    Apr 22nd, 2008 (4/22/2008 3:54am) in reply to Zpaceman

    <p>..played a pretty bigpot with "iluvhairywetchicks" these days..instantly called his riverpush with QT-high and send him back 2 where he belongs!NB PERVERT!</p>
  10. rexmundi1337 rexmundi1337 is offline

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    Apr 22nd, 2008 (4/22/2008 10:12am) in reply to Zpaceman

    <p>good stuff.  </p>
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    Apr 22nd, 2008 (4/22/2008 12:16pm) in reply to Zpaceman

    <p>so you expect people to lead into the preflop raiser every time they have a hand? i strongly disagree</p>
     
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    Apr 22nd, 2008 (4/22/2008 12:42pm) in reply to Zpaceman

    <p>good article, thank you! Please keep them coming</p>
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    Apr 22nd, 2008 (4/22/2008 12:50pm) in reply to Zpaceman

    <p>that was one the best articles i've read on here.  good job sir.</p>
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    Apr 22nd, 2008 (4/22/2008 1:52pm) in reply to Zpaceman

    <p>Agree with everything you have explained, however I do feel that the JJ hand was misplayed. I think you should've been less passive on the flop.  A reraise on the flop could've told you more information and also allowed for you to take down a solid pot. But, I also don't know your reads on the player at the time.....</p>
  15. the_snail03 the_snail03 is offline

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    Apr 22nd, 2008 (4/22/2008 2:01pm) in reply to Zpaceman

    <p>it sounds to me that u convince yourself into a call(that villain is bluffing) alot.</p>
     
  16. jenkinsenter jenkinsenter is offline

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    Apr 22nd, 2008 (4/22/2008 2:21pm) in reply to Zpaceman

    <p>I agree with those who said that the idea that the SB would have bet a made hand into you is flawed. It was the one part of the article that stood out to me as odd. Much like you checked your JJ into the preflop raiser on a rag board in hand 3, I don't see why tmay420 wouldn't check top pair, weak kicker, or a smaller pair and try to keep the pot small. I'm guessing you would have raised his bet there 90% of the time, and he knows that.</p>
    <p>I think you played the hand well, I just didn't agree with that comment. This is especially true in the mid to lower limits, where EVERYONE checks to the raiser, whether they flopped a monster or just 2nd pair. They have little regard for draws or giving their opponents free cards. It's why I'm impressed you called the river with 99 against the KQ bluff. The preflop call with Ax, then check/bet/bet move with top pair is very common in mid to lower buy-in tourneys.</p>
  17. theoldman999 theoldman999 is offline

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    Apr 22nd, 2008 (4/22/2008 3:55pm) in reply to Zpaceman

    <p>I thought the article opened up some additional avenues of thought to a very important issue in poker. I thought some decisions were "not what I would of done" but it was a good article on a good subject. Thx.</p>
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    Apr 22nd, 2008 (4/22/2008 6:26pm) in reply to Zpaceman

    <p>Great article in thought and sturcture. Kenny Rap is 100% right though Z. This is what came to mind to me as well. I think you could connect the dots here in some other way though for that hand perhaps in terms of your read on your opponents previous betting patterns. </p>
    <p>I think this structure and the use of the hand player is a much more powerful article. Despite the one arguable error in analysis props to you for bringing imo greatly improved material.</p>
    <p>Respect</p>
     
  19. daggerman daggerman is offline

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    Apr 22nd, 2008 (4/22/2008 8:53pm) in reply to Zpaceman

    <p>Kice32,</p>
    <p> generally any player that has all cap letters it </p>
    <p>is said they are very loose agg/maniac</p>
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    Apr 23rd, 2008 (4/23/2008 1:27pm) in reply to Zpaceman

    <p>gr8 article.....again  the hand replayer was an awsome idea..oh btw way wanna mentor me???    15% plus</p>
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    May 28th, 2008 (5/28/2008 10:12am) in reply to Zpaceman

    <p>Great examples!! thx!!</p>
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